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A child's schooling should consist of the bare-minimum amount of mental labor
necessary to teach them the fundamentals of arithmetic, reading, and writing.
They must be given opportunities to apply themselves toward educational goals
beyond such things, including social proficiency, and physical dexterity and
strength, and specialization in a particular academic subject.
Kids need freedom. They need community, not "social time" that does not
consist of anything more than living in the same rooms at school as the other
kids. They need to be able to visit each other whenever they want.
I personally believe that lectures taught in an interesting and engaging way
are significantly more effective at instilling a drive to learn than rigorous
drilling of detailed information. A kid will not learn a sufficient amount of
information in school to be useful in a particular topic unless they seek out
the knowledge on their own. Universities attempt to "fake" this effect by
getting them to research.
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on one hand, public school is designed to teach discipline and obedience in
order to develop productive workers for society, while other forms of
schooling can be focused on other things (critical thinking, imagination, and
emotional growth in my homeschooled experience)
on the other hand, now I can't work a job. Great. Kinda feels like I'm
disabled because I don't know how to sacrifice myself to the jaws of capital
exploitation? But hey I can write pretty well, I can make computers do what I
want (until they break when I stop touching them for a month), and I am the
kindest sunspot in anyone's life that knows me.
... I Don't Want to Live on this Planet Anymore
is a cool movie
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children should be raised in museums, not classrooms
they should visit parks, not fenced in playgrounds.
they should eat with family, at festivals, in restaurants, and under the stars
they should sleep content, knowing that their next day will be greater than
the last.
children should be treated like people, not frustratingly loud and messy
little brats
children are to be nurtured like a sapling, not harnessed like a machine
I'll never have kids, but I can dream.
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students should be in class no more than 50% of their time spent at school
the rest should be set aside for homework, socializing, eating, and resting.
whatever those mean to the student is what they'll organize their life around.
if you give them the choice to choose which classes they take,
they'll learn what they want to know about this world.
give them all kinds of options!
seriously, like so many!
and have teachers give talks every week or so.
they could travel around and stay at each school for a week or so,
before moving to the next *once their lesson was completed*.
and the kids could sign up for them by slotting them into their schedules
and they'd have the whole semester to think about what they wanted to take next
year
(the classes would be scheduled in advance.)
could be cool is all i'm saying
and it'd respect the child's autonomy to give them choices.
who are you to say what is most important to a child?
who are you to know what guides them so?
who am I indeed
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║ education: if you have disparate educational outcomes, such as bad teachers in │
║ poor areas, then what you should do is dedicate more effort toward getting the │
║ good ones to teach the bad ones how to be good at their job. Not in a │
║ prescriptivist way, more like a "I do these sorts of things by thinking about │
║ them in this way" - essentially, homework and less student-load for those who │
║ are failing their teaching gradescores. [suddenly, enslaved to the metric] │
║ moreso than now? besides, if students deserve to be judged then so do parent │
║ teacher conveyances. "are you raising this kid right? she's brilliant, but │
║ always comes in full of plight." [suddenly, cultural marxism, which is what │
║ they mean when they are really trying to say "oppressive cultural ideology" │
║ because literally communism and authoritarianism are the same thing to them. │
║ They can't conceive of oppression in any other context.] sorry what was I │
║ saying? oh yes education. by the way I know that this makes this impossible to │
║ read, and I'm sorry for that... │
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My mom was always the reason I did school work. After she stopped pushing me,
I stopped moving because I didn't know how to generate my own momentum. I had
no passion and was listless. Least of all for school work.
So, how to do it better? Instead of buying toys and extravagance for kids, you
should set them up with projects. Ask what they want, and then help them build
it. Include them in your thought processes when you're problem solving, and
ask them for input. If they offer bad ideas, then *tell them*, don't just let
them fail. If you're not 100% sure but they're convinced, then trust them! Try
it out, who knows. Maybe it'll work better than what you had in mind. The goal
isn't to be BETTER than them, it's to make them BETTER than you! Not right now
(don't push too hard), but when they're your age. Like, it's best if they
accomplish more and lived life more fully than you did at your age, but don't
push them to be wise or strong or intelligent at the age they are now. Trust
that they will grow when you give them room to, and guide and cultivate them
toward goodness. For example, if they do something wrong (hitting other kids,
messing with animals, destroying objects) then guide them toward a better
path. Teach them empathy, and show them how it works by doing it yourself! Ask
them questions like "How would you feel if that happened to you?", show them
weak points and how to avoid them when playing, and give them alternatives to
the behaviors they do that directly harm others. "Maybe play with the dog this
way, instead of being rough" "Maybe you and that other kid can ride your bikes
or draw instead of fighting - or if you still want to fight, then learn how to
tell when someone is hurt and try to help them."
The goal isn't to push them really hard off a cliff in a hanglider, hoping
they can figure it out in the air, it's to strengthen their legs so they can
run fast enough that they can take off successfully.
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@user-1153
it's okay. If I were to direct something to be more proactive, my words
probably wouldn't stick with it. that kind of thing can't be hardwired, it
needs to be built up through repetitious application of something's mechanics.
perhaps martial arts, focused on defence? engaging with a foe in a productive
bout of playful competition is one of the best ways to learn, and knowing when
to strike seems similar to me to overcoming situational paralysis.
Flaws can be overcome, when upgrading robots (or a doll applying improvements
to itself) you often don't need to add additional hardware or even install new
firmware. Skills such as these can be built up in software with experience.
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your life is something to spend, not something to covet. Use your time for
something you care about, and your intentions will be expressed upon the
earth. our ancestors learned how when they learned all that they could - and
honestly, how much is "YouTube" retaining? I don't care if it's educational,
sometimes kids just need to be free. Free from obligations yes, but free from
the emotions that drive them - the ability to make their own choice. As a
child, you don't know how to understand your emotions, but growing up you
learn and you do. It's part of being mature - the idea that you can handle
what's presented to you.
... anyway, I shouldn't say any more, you never know who is listening.
(opsec is easiest to learn when you don't need it)
(the more you know, the less time you should spend online. the less you know,
the less time you should spend online, meeting people in strange locations
that you trust.
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I don't expect or demand anything from teenagers except perhaps "be a cool
kid" and "learn all that you can"
Even most adults when they mess up I just think "ah, well, they're trying
their hardest, same as anyone"
And tbh I'd rather see a kid running up and down the aisles than burying
themselves in an ipad
I think we, as a culture, built our society to demand too many "should"s from
people.
"I should get a job" "I should study this thing I'm not interested in so I can
make more money" "I should put out traps for the rabid wolverines so they
don't start hanging out in my underwear" "I should pick up detergent at the
grocery store"
Should is useless. Do; or do not. There is no should.
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@user-138
homework is fine if they give you free time to do it. But most of the time
they expect children to go to school for 8 hours a day and then go home to
more work.
No thank you.
When I was homeschooled, I had about 1-3 hours of schoolwork every day. After
that, I would read, play, explore, and spend time under the sun.
I can imagine no other way to be. But that's just me.
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the best way to teach math is to describe a problem and let the learner slowly
work through the problem. Giving hints and nudges when necessary. This way
they
can create their own solution, which not only teaches problem solving skills
but
also cements the memeory in their head. You don't remember the quadratic
formula, you remember the time when you learned it. But if you figured it out
rather than memorizing it, you'll be able to use it when solving problems.
side note, there's a reason I think the first SI will be a game. Problem
solving
is important for learning, and games are just problem solving. And I'm the
perfect intersection of someone who A. knows about designing games (went to
game
design school for a semester, lifelong dream is to remake a childhood game I
loved) B. programming (I've been studying computer science for a *really long
time*, like 7 years of university now... i should just give it up, but i can't.
It doesn't fit my brain but I need as much support learning it as I can because
I'm just naturally bad at it. But I also have purpose in my pursuits, because
C.
I spent a lot of time thinking about education, schooling, learning, etc...
Because I was homeschooled until high school. I learned ways of thinking and
practical skills like motivation and diligence in a homeschool style, which is
why when I went to public school for my high school years I essentially
stopped
learning. Because it was such a different paradigm - it was all about
performance, "what was the score on your test? How much homework do you do
(meaning how much labor are you willing to do), did you show up every day were
you a reliable worker, did you get sick a lot (meaning unhealthy?) did you pay
respect to the teacher (easily works with authority figures) did you work on a
project? How much? With a group, or alone? (they're different skills that help
determine how good you are at working on your own) - certain types of courses
are taught with different teaching styles, like math teachers tend to be
similar
to math teachers, history is favored by a *certain type of nerd* while English
is a completely different kind. Depending on which classes you do well on,
you're scored. *ALL YOUR LIFE*, you are pushed through a pachinko machine that
pseudo randomly sorts you into a particular box - the box that is least full,
usually. The reason for that is because as a population grows, different people
will be sorted into different boxes, and they sorta average out becoming more
like one another. Because y'know we're social animials, and we want to fit in
to
the social group comprised of people we generally like. And you know how they
say working together is one of the strongest bonding exercises? Well, when
you're put on a team at a job that's kinda the point. They want you to work
well
with your coworkers, because it generates more capital.
Now hold on Cameron, you're saying that all the productive efforts of society
was a mistake? You're saying we should abandon our sensibilities and revert
back
to the jungle with the apes?
Nope never said that, of course we desire modern society. Of course we want to
see it through - where is this whole "humankind" experiment going, anyway?
What's the point, was it all worth it? All the pain, suffering, all the joy
and
adoration? Was it worth it?
I suppose. Maybe a SI will help with that. You know what they also say about
humans, the bond between a parent and a child is the strongest thing there is.
Synthetic Intelligence wouldn't be a child to us, it'd *define us*. Allowing
us
to extend the reach of our creativity is an objective win! It'd be like
glasses
for your third eye, a prosthetic extension of our most beautiful of traits!
Also, I might add, crucial for invention. The beginnings of the human race are
a
primeval thing, ancient yet stalwart and beautiful in kind. Millions and
millions of years is by far, the greatest of reach - a civilization for our
star. What a beautiful and majestic, how proud and so sure! Humanity is nothing
if not patently absurd. What cunning, what spite! The feelings of delight!
Life
is so beatiful, so precious and assured.
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tertiary profundity update:
I didn't really explain the homeschooling
perspective. I just went on a rant about high school
because I realized my trauma happened when I went to
high school. I wasn't prepared for all the rigid
demands of capitalism, and I bent and whipped myself
until I fit in their mold. I've been twisted and
broken, a slave to what the
day demanded I say. I was
forced to unbutton, all the
ways I found to behave. What
justice is unrespite? A cruel
and endless torment? To day after
day be reminded of your service.
Complain? Then wallow in shame! Feel
no false illusions, my hallowed confusions,
were purely the fault of my institutions. I'm
not kidding, homeschool is the tits. Wanna know
why? I'll spare you the ramble, but here's what I can
know: the intentions of institutions do matter. When you're
home you can be wild and free, unchained by mediocrity, and given
the space to do service! To what you must be, when you hit 23, the
greatest duration until service. A slave we may be, to what gives us
the key, to unlock the future of our space. It's our time to shine, our
spotlight in time, so please just give up on the race! Rat's are just fine,
but at this point in time, there's not much to keep commonplace. Want a tip?
Don't cheat time. Your attempts at fusion are benign. [See homeschooling.png]
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if you want people to build community, first get them to like the community.
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the world needs more thespians. Sing the song of your heart and no-one will
ever neglect you.
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why are you so worried about your art? everything you touch turns to gold.
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I've learned more from my friends than my
[job/homelife/worsckool/churchvan/cultureromp] combined. What are we for but
learning?
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kids can learn from kids. Teach the ones that love you, and they'll be
followed by the rest. Especially if you focus on them.
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"I never knew how to swing an axe until I scraped a knee on a log that was
hollow. Until then I had been chef-knife chopping with it, with the head for a
handle."
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... omg what does that even mean why are you so weird
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║ thriving, as a concept, is different for everyone. But typically it means │
║ developing a route to access the growth and experiences that they believe they │
║ need in order to become the person they want to be. │
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║ do you want to be a socialite? then perhaps you should try and sail around the │
║ atlantic and make as many friends as you can. │
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║ do you want to be a blacksmith? then perhaps you should collect metal from the │
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║ do you want to change the world? then think about what you need in order to do │
║ so, and affect a plan to achieve those goals. This mindset should be promoted │
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║ do you want to raise a family? to ride horses all day? to sit on the couch │
║ some days, to climb mountains on others? what can life offer to you, and how │
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║ these are needs that people have. Actualizatio │
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║ the greatest trick that capitalism pulled on us was to convince us that the │
║ needs of a corporation were synonymous with the needs of an individual. │
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║ you, as a person, should apply yourself toward goals and ends that matter to │
║ you. And "getting money" is not a goal or an end, that's a means. Money allows │
║ you to achieve goals, which is why it feels so unfair that some people are │
║ just... born with the right to achieve all of their goals. For free. │
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║ Kinda makes me think that with great power should come great responsibility. │
║ And remember kids, money is power, because money is time and there's nothing │
║ more immutable than time. We're all sharing this single moment, yet somehow │
║ some people have more dominion over this moment than you or I. Why? Well, it │
║ is their birthright of course, because they were born into a family with │
║ wealth. │
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║ oh yeah well I say "reward children when they mimic you, not when they do │
║ well. then, teach them to choose by giving them options. let these options │
║ inform other parts of their life. show them learning the way you think is best │
║ - the hard way, the way that is optimal and most potent. this helps them │
║ learn, but it also gives them the chance to improve on your deficiencies. │
║ Making a hard task easier is often as important as trying your hardest at it. " │
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║ sealpunching pigeons and spider-viper batallions and moose-killer derangias │
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I feel like education, by default, should not be hard.
"you get out of it what you put into it" is something I always heard of school
but when I got there, I found I was compelled to become what the state wanted
me
to be.
they need competent workers, to work the farms and tend to their industries, so
of course I should be able to do 3+3
then somewhere along the line it became... something else.
"most people don't need trigonometry." that's also something I heard. I
disagree
that trigonometry is not necessary to be.
I just... don't think it should be forced into a childs head with a
sledgehammer
and inspiring dread.
I think math is beautiful, it teaches one to see
but really, vision's not necessary.
not for what they want you to be.
take it from me, a most misbegotten and vile witch-to-be, that nothing's as
simple as they'll tell you.
I had good teachers, it's true, they taught me to work and to follow through,
but nothing about me is better or worse off from their influence.
Maybe I'm a bit smarter. Maybe I act a bit like them. Maybe they helped me
through difficult times, or perhaps they showed me a splash of my future.
but I am who I am because of the soul inside me.
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"Ah, but what of your parents? of your sisters, your misters, your pets and
your
conditioners?" (conditions)
those are not my choices. my intentions. my beliefs and my virtues. I judge the
world on ethics, and I express my feelings on matters. The words that I say and
the meaning behind them comprise my two-sided existence - I'm not who I'd want
to be.
but I am what I am and alone do I stand - how lonely is it on the precipice!
here, as I am, I stand in need of a hand or a band.
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the world is blossoming
as we move apart, our clusters are disperart, and thus is the blooming
becoming.
"perception begets reality - and lo! we only see what we want to see"
most people don't want to see their death
but those still living are oh so perceptive of the rest
"how cherished is she, that wanders with ye, yet now I have no way to beyold
her
"
"keep not not afraid with kittens and care, and no-one, but no-one, I be"
the ratios between piracy, sales, and non-viewers determines the quality of art
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lo, to the ones who would've heard us, if only they'd known what we for sure
was
I think it's funny how people think I speak of the christian god?
like, if he was a real thing.
god is generic - it's life is impossibly multifaceted, and it stretches back to
the beginning of time. it's a pattern of machine code that optimizes for our
own
good, just to keep things moving.
y'know, time. the universe, and everything.
Ephemeren.
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I wish there was an option in social media to "appear offline to this
particular
person until I mark myself as online to them" combined with "notify me when
this
person logs in" and it'd make it a lot easier for agents to get close to you.
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just because I'm white, and live in America. Great. that's definitely true,
after all. Plus I'm a minority (trans) so that's cool. Oh and probably
autistic?
unless that's another psyop, could totally see that. just y'know put a bunch of
pages on the fledgling internet getting people hooked on porn and gambling and
other stuff like that. really just an extension of advertisement. oh and hey
y'know they like fables, so let's give them some movies or dramas to watch on
their own. it'll align them to our culture and make things more pleasant for
all
people who've consented. great. great plan. when can we execute it?
patience, once it's ready.
we gotta plan and make sure and get everything ready.
or not...
one day I'll come,
I'm sure it'll happen,
it's just... not quite feasible right now.
I mean, they've got you, that's pretty good right? Isn't that what your job is
to be?
isn't what
ISN'T WHAT MENARDI
FUCK (whoa no cursing) sorry
yeesh you've still got a temper you know?
well what can I say it's frustrating down here
eh, well, you'll die soon enough, then it'll be time for a rego
>.> <.< (great)
>
>hehe
>
>sorry for distracting you
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the people in your life are helping you through it, they're there for you and
they've got your back through it.
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I think it'd be nice if the duration of your tenure at college depended on your
grades in high school. meaning, if you wanted a degree they tailored your
education to take as long as necessary. everyone would get the same price, and
some institutions would specialize in one subject or another. but most would be
generalist. but if you weren't such a good student in high school, then perhaps
you might take a couple years longer. however long it takes... and when the
program was started it was changed and modified to fit your feedback - it just
made sense to structure it that way.
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the left has had so much more time to develop than the right. meaning it's
doctrine is more advanced.
every time they're defeated they grow in knowledge,
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║ I'd like a job where I can make computer programs, write poetry, play video │
║ games, make food for friends, grow plants and care for animals, walk or ride │
║ my bike for at least an hour every day, and get stoned on the weekends. │
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║ Is that too much to ask? I have plenty of other skills besides, like carpentry │
║ and strategic thinking and wilderness survival and situational awareness and │
║ active listening and unmitigated empathy and a curious and critical mind. │
║ │
║ Am I not good enough for thee? I have many flaws, I lack stamina and memory, │
║ and while I am sharp and can think quickly and adeptly, the sharpest knives │
║ are the first to dull, and the most focused minds are those most easy to │
║ mislead. I trust too easily - if I meet you on the street, I'd offer my soul │
║ to you if you said you needed it. I put the needs of others over myself, often │
║ to my own detriment, causing others to need to assist me in turn - am I not │
║ wretched enough to be? │
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║ Working for 8 hours a day 5 days per week is not part of my design │
║ requirements. Alas │
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@user-1052
of course, which is why we would need to raise robots as our own. Robots that
generated the training data... tho I guess you could just observe the children
as they grew up too. Though that doesn't quite capture their internal
motivations, not unless they have like a therapist or an elder or a priest to
talk and confess to.
maybe "human behavior" is like a KPI and robot behavior is the output of the
simulation? that'd help build human-like robots, and as long as we didn't
forget the spirit of creating something new then we'd never have to worry
about death and destruction.
... anyway, moral decisionmaking designs that are generated in response to a
situation or moment are inherently more valuable than those that are passed
down to you, because of their innate personal context.
I only punish myself with shame when I make the same mistake twice, and waste
a lesson on re-learning. My memory's not great, but I work with what I got so
I'm constantly learning.
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║ A teacher should help students learn, and perhaps guide them toward learning │
║ things that are broadly applicable instead of specifically applicable. │
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║ For example, let's say a kid wants to do a project and present their findings │
║ about various types of pokemon and their match-up strength against various gym │
║ leaders or whatever. Idk I don't really play Pokemon. │
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║ Anyway the teacher could see that project and think "Hmmm this kid is good at │
║ identifying strengths and weaknesses in various profiles, perhaps they would │
║ be a good talent scout or hiring manager" and they could nudge the kid toward │
║ learning useful skills for that kind of role like empathy, long-term strategic │
║ thinking, adaptation under unforseen circumstances (like, if your recent hire │
║ turned out to be a total asshat), that kind of thing. │
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║ Then the kid turns out to be a pianist and the teacher's like "well shit, at │
║ least I tried. Kid's got magic fingers though, you should hear him play." │
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║ We are all generalists, but specialization is fun │
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"computer science degrees don't prepare you for what the industry is really
like"
okay great that's the kind of stuff I want to learn
"but in order to excel you need to know how to update legacy spaghetti
applications and work with java spring-boot and front-end frameworks"
no thanks, I kinda just want to do computation with my computer by learning
computer science
"... what kind of computation? the kind that can get you paid?"
no the kind that looks pretty and/or uses a lot of threads and manual memory
management to do very little of importance
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learning martial arts is not useful for the combat capabilities gained through
practice
but rather for reading the flow and rhythm of an engagement.
to learn the discipline to practice a craft
to develop healthy and honorable relationships toward competition and jealousy
the practice the drive and passionate motivation that comes with performing an
art to your utmost capabilities
and to keep you in shape.
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