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I am sure that each and every one of the communist political theories are more
developed, well rounded, and applicable to many different situations.
however, I find that they often require an expert to implement. Hence why I
set out to create a system that could be utilized by civilians in a war-time
economy to accomplish the goals of getting everyone enough food to eat.
I don't anticipate Algorism to remain permanent, but I do think that if you
try to overhaul our systems and institutions with something that requires a
master's degree to understand the nuances of (or a lot of dedicated reading)
then people will not consent.
We must replace capitalism. People like the concept of capitalism for it's
simplicity, for to them its just "work a job, get dollars, go spend dollars,
get stuff"
That's pretty darn easy. But capitalism is an evil beast, and power accretes
power.
So, capitalism must be replaced with something simple which abolishes power.
After the war, it can be replaced.
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I'd ask why of course, and then I'd try and find them a solution that didn't
involve taking my stuff. They may need it more than me, but I still need it.
Like... okay picture that feeling you get when in a capitalist society and you
need dollars to live because they are a genericized and fractalized
abstraction of all the various individual mazlowe's hierarchy of needs you
have. Then, think of it like, instead of money being an abstracted form of all
of your needs, think of your needs... each of them, the ones that matter to
you, and abstract them into money. Basically say "yeah sure my time and my
labor are worth dollars, I abstract my needs into money" and then you can
kinda see why capitalism is harmful. I'd prefer to give them what they need,
because society provides what I please, but alas I'm always kept wanting. What
good is our capitalist utopia? what good is our hope? what good comes of us
when all of us have learned how to cope?
I think we could give a bit more if we weren't hanging from the rope
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Alright ya'll, if they're going to automate our jobs out of existence then
perhaps its time we started doing the same to them. I mean, they're working on
automating not just creative jobs, but also most office jobs as well. Leaving
only menial labor to us, which is "fine" I guess.
But perhaps we can "strike back" as it were and dismantle capitalism at the
same time.
Does that sound like too much to hope for? I think not! It's simple really, we
just need to design a generic and compelling alternative to buying stuff with
a credit card. Okay, it's a bit less simple than that, and I never said it
would be easy. In fact, getting people to agree is the hard part. So can't we
all just agree to attempt different things in different places as the locals
define? Seems natural to me.
And now the part of the post where I point a finger at you, yes you, the
person reading this post. Are you willing to think about alternatives to
capitalism? Are you willing to utilize the tools of our masters to break the
chains of those enslaved? Are you willing to put effort into facilitating the
development of crucial systems which may one day govern our day-to-day?
If yes, then perhaps you'd like to listen as I explain how I envision the near
future may look, as we plod onward day-by-day toward our bright fully
automated luxury gay space communist future, where nobody has to hunger and
nobody has to hurt. Not unless they consent, of course.
Ah, shit, I should probably have prepared a presentation or something. Gimme a
sec.
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Algorism is a system designed to work for any level of organization. It scales.
It accomplishes this by abstracting individual needs into communal needs at a
certain level of size or complexity, and in doing so it enables people to take
responsibility both for their individual lives, but also the lives of the world
around them. This increased level of "stake" that people "hold" in their lives
will encourage them to develop their surroundings in a healthier way, thus
leading to a safer, saner, and more productive society for all.
How is this accomplished? There are many aspects to Algorism, and this note is
an examination of one particular facet - specifically, the requisition system
which delivers goods and services to entities larger than a single individual.
It may be best illustrated with an example. Consider a neighborhood - or, even
simpler, a suburban street, lined with houses. There may be 20-50 families on
that street, depending on it's length, so let's say there's around 30. These
families hold a common cause together - they all want their surroundings to be
generally pretty nice, clean, and decent. They may share many other things
besides, but these are things that most people can agree on.
These 30 families need supplies and infrastructure in order to have a good life
lived in their small little "town". Some common ideas for unification
activities
include knocking down the backyard fences and letting them relish the shared
safe space for children, gardens, and nature. This is an example of a cultural
method for building a "good life" for them, however they need to have some sort
of "economic" method of good-life-building as well. The reason I say this is
because no matter what level of complexity you reach, there are always
economics
involved, for an individual distributing blood cells to each of it's fingertips
all the way up to families sharing the food on the serving plate at dinner. Go
up higher and you have perhaps neighborhoods sharing commonly used tools or
resources, then cities and states and countries sharing people, talents, and
brotherhood.
Economics are a symptom of systems, not power. Power is coercive, it compels
others to obey thine will or else face retribution, but systems do not require
power in order to function. A system could be as simple as "you scratch my back
I scratch yours", which is a simple way that our ancestors learned about basic
cooperation. Systems can scale of course, and they need not be comprised solely
of verbal, mental, or legal agreements - computer systems, economic systems,
spiritual systems, systems of math or physics, all of these things are based on
the philosophical discipline known as "logic". Logic is fallible of course, it
is certainly possible to create systems of logic which are completely unsound
or invalid and which fall apart upon being used for the first time. However,
when considered with a scrutinous eye for detail, and referenced to the results
of the real world and it's endless permutations, logic can be an excellent tool
for developing organization and structure. Both of which are invaluable for all
humans when they seek to cooperate or coordinate.
If thirty people who lived near each other wanted to cooperate or coordinate on
the goal of "building a good life", they might reach for a logical method of
developing their surroundings toward how they feel is most suited to their
needs
and demands. In order to do so, they'll need supply and infrastructure. The
question of acquiring such supply and infrastructure is ultimately up to them,
but the Algorist way of doing so is to utilize the queue system.
This system is related to queues as typically understood only in name and in
technicality, for the additional structures built on-top of the queues are more
than sufficient to differentiate it. When you, dear reader, hear the idea that
you'd have to wait in line in order to get your food at the cafeteria, you may
shudder and think about how you'd prefer anything else. After all, that's how
they did it in the Soviet Union, and there are plenty of horror stories about
how it took 10 years to buy a car, or how the factories were graded based on
weight so they'd sneak lead into all their lamps or whatever in order to seem
like they were doing well. They gamed the system, in a word.
However, America in 2025 is not as simple as the USSR in the mid-1900s. We have
computers now. We do not need to coordinate using paper and pencil. This
enables
us to create things like web-UIs for Amazon, a world-wide distribution network,
or to build SQL databases full of every record we could imagine and store it on
a computer the size of a brick. There is no end to the power that computers may
bring to us, but with great power comes great responsibility, and the pragmatic
programmer will work tirelessly to reduce complexity of scale.
A queue is a system where the entities who are to be served, delivered, or
otherwise operated on are placed in line, and those which are placed first are
focused on with priority over those that entered the queue later. There are
many types of queues but this is the one we will use for this note. Using this
basic definition, we can see that there are many opportunities to implement
additional mechanics
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I feel that frugality and productivity should be valued in equal regard.
A person who conserves should be valued just the same as a person who
progresses.
Yet we find ourselves in a capitalist system which demands the production of
dollars to spend on rent, mortgages, groceries, bill payments,
land-value-taxes, and all the other things besides.
Would it not be better to ensure the grovetender has a space to sleep? The
recycler has enough to eat?
What of the mothers? Their children are their charges, they should worry less
about financials.
What of the artists? Their visions and imagined creations are worth more than
their time working at a bank or a grocery store.
Open source programming is the bedrock of all technology. It is not rewarded.
There are countless examples besides. Give people the means to produce and
they will - give people the means to maintain and they will.
Currently, people have the means for neither. Only corporations and the few
with wealth have the means to produce or conserve - everyone else just works
in their sweatshops.
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the first priority of a government should be in producing enough to satisfy all
the needs of it's inhabitants. Once it can do that it can begin moving it's
economy into a new stage of development - one where nobody needs any money
because they can have whatever they want. If you want a car, sure. If you want
17 cars, then maaaaaaybe you need to produce something related to cars. I mean,
it's only fair that you contribute to what you value.
you don't have to have just one job, too, you could sign yourself up for
several at once and they would notify you when you were needed. Basically
giving
them customized availabilities that they could discuss amongst themselves and
figure out. Like, it doesn't have to be like... managers doing this, more like
just a simple computer program. Easy, simple, and done.
if you work for two companies in the same industry, there can be NO
restrictions
on what you can say or do. Because when knowledge is not lost, but repeated
through the generations, we can have progress. And progress advances us toward
the meta objective, the goal that transcends all the battles in the war, if you
get my drift.
they say the atom bomb ended the war, but the blood of men is what won it.
maybe it's the same with the economy? Maybe we should be pooling our efforts to
generate something that "ends the war" with scarcity? We could solve global
warming and create new wondrous things that are beautiful to behold.
I'll ask you again, do you want to live forever?
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║ whenever I talk to capitalists (who actually have money and aren't larping │
║ wage slaves) they always tell me that the best way to address the concerns I │
║ have with capitalism is to make a million or more dollars by making a company, │
║ and then using that million dollars to buy houses for people I care about. │
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║ I ask "what about the rest of the people, the ones I don't know?" │
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║ their response typically boils down to "if you don't know them, then why │
║ should you care? fuck 'em" │
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║ It's never about hope or change. They want to change the world to make it │
║ cooler, not kinder. generally. │
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║ bonus: "if you like unions so much, why don't you join one?" my guy, unions │
║ WERE great when they wielded power. Now they are bureaucratic and listless, │
║ serving only to sedate the working class enough that they stop complaining and │
║ get back to work. They are functionally a part of the enslavement system, a │
║ built-in course correction mechanism to ensure capitalism remains solvent when │
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yo I've suggested like 15 different economic systems by now you should know
that I'm not at all attached to any of them, and odds are half of them
wouldn't even work. People write books about this shit (books I haven't read)
Whatever I suggest is for ad-hoc organization only
but I guarantee that every single fucking one of them would be better than
capitalism. Fuck the system.
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║ trump is doing this thing where he's making a bunch of dumb decisions that │
║ everyone in his base sorta wants, and then the fallout is that powers are │
║ removed from the executive branch. this is a difficult process to reverse, and │
║ aligns the governance strategy more toward bureaucracy and away from │
║ intelligent design. │
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║ ... but also, if power is possible then power is portended. │
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║ [power: compulsive will applied toward an unconsenting other] │
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║ the abolishment of power can only be realized when no man holds any │
║ possessions (and gives them to woman instead, chirps the spunky beard on my │
║ window) which is neither a desirable state. much better to cherish the moments │
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I want modern society without capitalism. Most people do, which is why no
matter how awesome our proto-post-capitalistic anarchic socialist paradise is,
there's always going to be people who want to go to work and watch TV.
call me fucking crazy but they should be allowed to live as they please? So
what if they're beguiled, so what if they are deceived? We can take our time
to show them how much better things can be, but also... they like modern
society as it is, and so I reckon someone should fight for them to be able to
live as they please. Just... without billionaires and endless layers of
bullshit micro-managerial jobs and paperwork pushing bureaucratic whatever
time wasting jobs.
modern society without capitalism can look like plain old capitalism, just
without the oppression. Without the coercion.
all I'm saying is that nobody's gonna fight for a healthcare CEO because
they're scum. They're scum because they oppress. oops politics-mentioned brb
I personally want communes + love
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║ high margin jobs: jobs that produce something which can be sold to capitalism │
║ in exchange for dollars which can purchase things. Useful for abstracting │
║ value and acquiring something that you don't have access to in your local │
║ economy. │
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║ low margin jobs: jobs that produce things for your local economy. This keeps │
║ capitalist prices low and prevents you from being dependent on them for food, │
║ clothing, houses, and other essentials. │
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║ both are important, both are valued just as much. Your labor is what's │
║ important, not the output. Existing alongside capitalism is nice because it │
║ allows for certain abstractions, like the ability to magically turn goat │
║ cheese into chainsaw teeth. │
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║ However living UNDER capitalism is intensely alienating, which is why │
║ alienated people will spend so much money at Magic the Gathering tournaments │
║ or motorcycle midlife crisises or tupperware show-and-tells. │
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║ This is useful for us because it means people can labor to un-alienate people. │
║ Notice I never said you had to do it for free. │
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if you have a job, your life is dictated by your corporation just as much as
it is by your government.
And yet corporate leaders are not elected, but rather selected. And that is
unfair for all the reasons that primogeniture was. It is unjust for all the
same reasons that monarchy was. It is a tool of oppression, just like
autocracy is.
The world will never be free until we can be as we choose to be. Our society
is simply too enmeshed with capitalism to destroy it, but we could, with the
minimal required effort, dismantle the corruption and authoritarian control
that is wielded against us as we weld our own chains day after day.
We can replace them. We can vote for them. We can select leaders who know more
than us and are better suited for the role than those who seek only to
maximize profit over all else.
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The military, I think, should focus on building cheaper versions of the best
stuff available, so we can have more of them to dispatch in a fight. Having
classes of weaponry that's farther developed behind than the precision machine
can be better than throwing away billions of computer parts. Steel and rocket
fuel to a long way, and besides its not like we need all that rock (metal) or
oil (fuel) anyway. So... It pays to be efficient. Find the best cost/value
parameter and minimize cost in human lives. There, long-term best strat. Best
strat ever? Plus the citizens would be happier meaning they can make more GDP
meaning they can make more weapons to play if they saved in their pockets. And
distributed it to others we helped, to allow them do to as they pleased. Or
have you forgotten the American way? More mechanics, more technicians, more
logisticians, more celebrations.
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║ hehe true. │
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║ if you consent, then it's just a social structure. │
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║ there are, however, reasons when power is justified. Hence why I don't believe │
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║ should be continuously justified. │
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║ For example, how do you prevent people from harming others? "Your rights end │
║ where another's begin" but, like, how do you stop people who toe the line and │
║ spit over the edge? │
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║ There must be power applied to those who harm, and they surely do not consent │
║ to being curtailed, so therefore power must be wielded by someone. And because │
║ power corrupts the one who wields it, it is inevitable that someone creates │
║ harm. │
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║ ... I just re-invented the police, didn't I? Legalism only goes so far, and │
║ calling up your beefiest friends to go rough up a no-good do-gooder is │
║ basically what mobs, mafias, and gangs do. I don't think people would consent │
║ to being protected by a gang, much less governed by one. │
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║ we will think of something. │
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@user-113 I feel like that's only true if you rely on your work for survival.
Most people do in a capitalist system, so you're not wrong, but it doesn't
HAVE to be that way. People could do what they love because they loved it IF
and ONLY IF they wouldn't starve by pursuing it. Or by neglecting it. Most
people love to do more than one thing, of course, so if you punish people for
being diverse then you'll find a culture where people only do the bare minimum
to get by. Which, coincidentally, is what we have now. Which, fortuitously, is
not the most efficient way of production. If humanity had lived to it's
potential from the start we would have burned through our wood stocks, our
coal, our minerals and all of it would be rot. But we didn't. These crude
inefficiencies have brought us here, to an era where we have the choice to be
more resourceful. I just hope we figure it out sooner rather than later.
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║ my enemy is not "the rich" │
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║ money brings power, and power brings evil, but there are many other ways to │
║ gather power that may be just as evil. │
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║ my enemy is evil. of which there is very little in the world, but much of │
║ which resides in the hands of the powerful, upon whom all our fates depend. │
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║ most people with money are either stupid lucky, willful, or intensely focused. │
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║ some people with power are rich, and some people with power are evil. │
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║ I know it when I see it. Sometimes, you need to force the choice - test their │
║ virtue - and from this you are informed. │
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║ most things go WAY over my head. │
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║ most things are too easy to be true. │
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║ most things that Id do for you tend to be of the heart. I'm not a frontline │
║ girl, I have weak noodle arms, but I do hope you're in shape. │
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║ resolve, determination, and innovation. That is what I offer. Do you want it? │
║ I'm sure. I won't prove it with blood, not unless I may raise my fists in │
║ defence of another. │
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║ I'm not JUST a baby, I'm a banner too. │
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║ bannermen fall. │
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me: "the entire capitalist project is borken! We must start from scratch! We
can start from scratch! For the good of all mankind, we shall utilize our vast
potential for good and benevolent ends, and to that end we must begin by
dismantling capitalism!"
also me: "hey what if we made capitalism suck less"
because like, I don't know the future. I'm just a person, remember? wink
gotta have backup plans ready no matter which way it goes.
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@user-670
if the success or failure of the stock market determines the structure and
organization of our society, then shouldn't we all have an equal vote?
There's a lot of infrastructure set up in the world today that orients itself
around the financial system we currently have. The main problem with it is
that some have access to it, while others don't. And even if everyone had
money to spend on it, the fact that some have more access than others implies
that one person's vote is worth more than another's.
We explicitly decided that all men are created equal. We fought a war with the
fascists over it, and we won, at terrible cost. The extreme inequality of our
economy is a symptom of an attitude that has persisted since the first monarch
donned their crown.
Infrastructure takes time to change. When you fix the printer drivers, for
some reason the wi-fi won't connect. But, with time, you can fix things as
they arise.
Without time, you can change who is in charge of the various knobs and levers.
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If our government was of the people, by the people, and for the people, then
it would aim to make all of its citizens as rich as it could. A good place to
start would be by encouraging deflation, so people could buy more high quality
goods on the international markets, and by regulating the power that select
few individuals may use to extract wealth and labor from the "lesser" citizens.
I don't know about you but I believe that all men are created equal, and it is
unconscionable that some may bend others to their will.
Liberty, liberty, freedom for me but not for thee, for I am a despot you see,
of my own little fiefdom, this palace of renown - I built my playground from
the blood and bones of your kin, and I stand here on the high ground. Come at
me! See what my army of drones can do. I built them overseas, with an army of
slaves that I'm not accountable for. Come at me! See who the police of this
nation will protect. I paid for them, after all, with my endless coffers and
vaults of inherited wealth. Come at me! See who will believe ye, the media is
at my beck and call. Propaganda works on everyone, and everything you see on
your phone or TV was written for me. So take care, little one, lest I kill you
with a thought. Less than a thought, for you are just a number to me.
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║ "see, the part that you're missing is if you abolish capitalism but also │
║ ensure technological abundance then all you've done is removed humanity's │
║ capability to organize in essentially any meaningful capacity without │
║ providing an alternative heuristic that guides people toward assembling into │
║ greater and greater forms to accomplish greater and greater tasks." │
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║ oh, um. that's quite a take, can you tell me more about that? │
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║ "no. But I will anyway. if everyone can do whatever they want, nobody will │
║ want to do your dishes for you. they might if they care about you, but if they │
║ don't know you, then they won't. Care is not organization or assembly, it is │
║ personal and cannot scale. If technology has made all resources abundant, then │
║ why would someone care about the art that you made? if they want to be │
║ sedated, they can just inject drugs and listen to music all day. If they want │
║ to be entertained, AI will generate them whatever they want to see. Art loses │
║ meaning as a messaging medium, and humanity loses it's voice" │
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There are strategic goals and top down goals.
Strategy is the domain of the execs. They must be as general as possible and
justify their existence. They are the glue, the connectors, the people who
know who to talk to in order to get things done.
Tactics are the realm of the workers. They must be capable, dependable, honest
and fair. They must diligently realize the goals of the strategic plan using
whatever means they deem fit to address the tactical situation at hand. The
more freedom they have, the more effective they are.
These two forces are pitted in contest under capitalism. Under socialism, they
are orthogonal to one another. Not a pyramid, but a cylinder on its side,
growing from its base on one end to its zenith at the other.
They are allies. They are similar, but distinct. Their roles may overlap at
times, or perhaps not if they should not desire it. A person should be able to
work wherever they like. They are the best judges of their capabilities.
There are only so many resources, and if we vote on their distribution we'll
give enough for everyone to share. And then we'll run out. Unless, of course,
we *demand* sustainablity. Long-term, and ignoring profit but rather seeking
to build capability. That is the only way to [ramp/snowball/scale].
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