=== ANCHOR POEM === ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────┐ ║ ┌──────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: mentioned │ │ ║ └──────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ high margin jobs: jobs that produce something which can be sold to capitalism │ ║ in exchange for dollars which can purchase things. Useful for abstracting │ ║ value and acquiring something that you don't have access to in your local │ ║ economy. │ ║ │ ║ low margin jobs: jobs that produce things for your local economy. This keeps │ ║ capitalist prices low and prevents you from being dependent on them for food, │ ║ clothing, houses, and other essentials. │ ║ │ ║ both are important, both are valued just as much. Your labor is what's │ ║ important, not the output. Existing alongside capitalism is nice because it │ ║ allows for certain abstractions, like the ability to magically turn goat │ ║ cheese into chainsaw teeth. │ ║ │ ║ However living UNDER capitalism is intensely alienating, which is why │ ║ alienated people will spend so much money at Magic the Gathering tournaments │ ║ or motorcycle midlife crisises or tupperware show-and-tells. │ ║ │ ║ This is useful for us because it means people can labor to un-alienate people. │ ║ Notice I never said you had to do it for free. │ ╟─────────┐ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────┴──────────┘ === SIMILARITY RANKED === --- #1 fediverse/735 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────── I'd ask why of course, and then I'd try and find them a solution that didn't involve taking my stuff. They may need it more than me, but I still need it. Like... okay picture that feeling you get when in a capitalist society and you need dollars to live because they are a genericized and fractalized abstraction of all the various individual mazlowe's hierarchy of needs you have. Then, think of it like, instead of money being an abstracted form of all of your needs, think of your needs... each of them, the ones that matter to you, and abstract them into money. Basically say "yeah sure my time and my labor are worth dollars, I abstract my needs into money" and then you can kinda see why capitalism is harmful. I'd prefer to give them what they need, because society provides what I please, but alas I'm always kept wanting. What good is our capitalist utopia? what good is our hope? what good comes of us when all of us have learned how to cope? I think we could give a bit more if we weren't hanging from the rope ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #2 fediverse/896 --- ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────────┐ ║ ┌──────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: politics-economy │ │ ║ └──────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ the purpose of an economy is to improve the lives of it's participants. │ ║ │ ║ why else would an ancient city trade for fabric or rare spices? to fashion │ ║ soft clothes, and make flavorful food. │ ║ │ ║ my, that gold sure looks pretty in the sunlight. how about you give some of me │ ║ that, and I'll make you something pretty? │ ║ │ ║ hmmm something something arbitrage once you corner the market on gold then you │ ║ can use that infinitely moldable and easily sculptable metal that shines and │ ║ glitters with a unique color not seen in the manes of plants and animals as │ ║ the definition of value. in doing so, you could exchange bits of it (measured │ ║ by weight, as it's infinitely moldable) for arbitrary goods and services. But │ ║ of course, once the market is cornered, it's unlikely to get un-cornered, and │ ║ well a cornered market holder holds much appeal for the powerful. │ ║ │ ║ hey, that guy's pretty strong. why don't we make him our leader? people seem │ ║ to look up to him, and dang his muscles are cool. what a great guy, nobody's │ ║ ever said a │ ╟─────────┐ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────┴──────────┘ --- #3 fediverse/6116 --- ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────┐ ║ "see, the part that you're missing is if you abolish capitalism but also │ ║ ensure technological abundance then all you've done is removed humanity's │ ║ capability to organize in essentially any meaningful capacity without │ ║ providing an alternative heuristic that guides people toward assembling into │ ║ greater and greater forms to accomplish greater and greater tasks." │ ║ │ ║ oh, um. that's quite a take, can you tell me more about that? │ ║ │ ║ "no. But I will anyway. if everyone can do whatever they want, nobody will │ ║ want to do your dishes for you. they might if they care about you, but if they │ ║ don't know you, then they won't. Care is not organization or assembly, it is │ ║ personal and cannot scale. If technology has made all resources abundant, then │ ║ why would someone care about the art that you made? if they want to be │ ║ sedated, they can just inject drugs and listen to music all day. If they want │ ║ to be entertained, AI will generate them whatever they want to see. Art loses │ ║ meaning as a messaging medium, and humanity loses it's voice" │ ╟─────────┐ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╧════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╧══────────┘ --- #4 messages/1174 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════─── if you're afraid of the AI bubble popping, one way to avoid it is to pop it ourselves. If we build AI technology that eclipses the entire software development ecosystem, companies might start to be valued based on the value of the employees they've managed to collect. Not fame and fortune, but by those that can build the best applications, on demand[, for free. paid for by nationalized taxes.]. the companies that can hold onto the best engineers, those that know how computers work and can know how they function, can leverage their human capital to achieve great means. essentially, inversing the power dynamic, where workers are favored for their plenty and not for their worth. let the code monkeys tend to their gardens and work their sawmills. We all know they'd rather be teaching kids about plants or playing cards at the grocery. Let the computer nerds, the ones who are really into it, let them make what they feel is worth it for it [the computer]. this will have massive effects on the economy, and none of it will be reflected in new jobs. But we'll all be happier, and we'll all find less stress in our [confines/compromises]. But it's gotta work, first. And it's gotta be locally spendable. If they wanna put a data server in the library, why not let them fund it themselves? They could run powerful statistical models that output useful statistics arranged in human readable and not very statistical ways, and that's a pretty neat infinite information machine to have at your disposal as a library. It could even cite sources (and validate!!) them for students or returning listeners. Plus, if nobody's using it, it could work through the backlog of user requests and act as a "slow" or "unexpected deliver times" style queue for their LLM requests - average wait time less than 1/5th of a minute. for something that can program an entire computer for you, from scratch. If you can describe it, it can make it, so long as you're willing to test out all of it's hacks. I bet we could make one for less than 20,000$. Might need some new chip foundries, might need to forge some new trade deals, let's let both of our wing-arms decide. the value of one currency compared to the other should be a measure of how valuable the goods that country exports are. And yet, it's more often a matter of distribution, as we all visit our local bazaars. What happens when that's all digital? if nobody's a shining city on a hill, then there's no nuclear war. Who would nuke Somalia? Nigeria? Botswana? Idaho? ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════──┘ --- #5 messages/295 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────── The fact that the economy is harmed by kindness implies that the system that governs the economy is dysfunctional at best, and evil at worst. Every time you make a sandwich for a friend, that's one sandwich that isn't being bought at a deli, which means less dollars going to the owner of the deli, meaning (theoretically) fewer dollars going to buying sandwich ingredients or paying employees, which means less demand for sandwich ingredients potentially leading to loss of opportunities for the owners of the bread factories, meaning less capability to scale and increase their production powers, meaning less profit, which means less taxes, which means fewer guns sent overseas to despotic regimes like Israel (also, fewer to Ukraine, depending on if the reader is a Republican or Democrat teehee) which means less opportunities to test our weapon capabilities which means we won't be able to defend ourselves from external threats (on a planet we've conquered and currently dominate) which means we are less safe in our home territory since its slightly more likely that we might be invaded by the people we've created, people with hatred for our current regime... Though I don't fancy it falling, as if it does then it'll take most of us with it, I think you'll find. All because of your stupid act of kindness, all because of the way you helped your friend. The way that you showed how much you loved them, which transcended the capitalistically sanctioned methods of expressing your affection like buying a greeting card or buying flowers or buying that widget they wanted or buying a sandwich at a deli for your loved one. Stupid fucking communist can't you see that your heart is harming the people around you? Can't you see that community that does not consume is antithetical to our economy? Can't you see the economy is evil? I don't want to subsist on charity, there's never enough to go around because people will fight for those they love but only give a bit of free time to those they don't know. That's okay, it just implies that the structure of society must be designed without charity in mind, while still meeting the needs of those it comprises, Charity is for the extra, the part that elevates us bit by bit. As once a need is exceeded, it grows by that little bit. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────┘ --- #6 messages/273 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────── Algorism in a nutshell: Everyone gets dollars from their job. Will explain more later, for now trust that they get dollars. Essentials and infrastructure are free, but luxuries are not. To spend dollars, you either go to a showroom or use the nationalized Amazon (forked, not stolen) - there you can place down dollars to enter a special kind of queue. Everytime a product is made its distributed to the people with the most dollars in queue. Every period (week, month, idk) the amount you manually put into the queue is re-added to the queue - 100 becomes 200, becomes 300, becomes 400. You can manually add more whenever you like but it's not retroactive. At the end of the period all your extra dollars are distributed among your open queues. That's basically it. It rewards patience and temperance, while capitalism rewards greed and cruelty. How to get dollars? Okay so there is a government run job board portal website thing. Every company can make a listing there, and every person can post themselves too if they'd rather be recruited. The company pays a different amount to the government than the worker receives. This amount is determined algorithmically based on values like supply and demand for labor in that particular area. People list 10 types of jobs they'd like to work at any level of specificity (they'd be arranged into layers of overlapping umbrellas, like queer identities except more complex) then that data is used both for job placement (consensual of course!) and data for the "supply and demand" calculation. You can only change these values once every 6 months, or 1 value every month, up to the user. The amount the corporation pays to the government is not the same as what the worker receives. The longer a worker works, the more "stuff" they can buy. They are rewarded for diligence. However essentials are free so nobody has to save for retirement. You can trade stuff for stuff, but not stuff for labor. Small informal exchanges are fine "if you mow my lawn I'll bake you a pie" but not "I'll give you 500lbs of gold bars if you build me a mansion" - I haven't figured out a way to structurally prevent rant besides just saying it's illegal. Housing is like a library, except you can queue for who gets the spot next. A person can live in a house as long as they'd like, and when they're done with it the person highest in the queue can decide if they want to live there. If not, the 2nd in line gets to move in if they want, etc. Their accrued value persists if they don't move in, and when moving out an accurate assessment should be undertaken. "ah but won't foreign states just hire a bunch of people to move in and out of houses really quickly like they're doing to my apartment complex so that a stable source of income cannot be guaranteed and resources will have to be wasted on assessments and such?" I mean, maybe, but it'd be up to the community to decide how to prevent that. Your primary residence is free, you can live there as long as you'd like. If you want two houses then you need to continuously be the highest value in the queue for both of them. Same goes for renting and hotels and such - the "owner" or property manager or whatever needs to maintain their lead by investing time and value in the property. Otherwise nobody would want to live there. This would be an example of a self-appointed job. Self-appointed jobs are like being self employed now. You produce value that people enter queues for, and in return your stacking percentage bonus increases. The government will pay you dollars based on the demand for your good/service, which odds are will be pretty small. But you get to do what you want, so that's something, and besides essentials are free so... I wish people would ask me questions so I knew which blanks to fill in. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────┘ --- #7 fediverse/2657 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── and it's important to trust people who like you (or are interested - wait what listen it's not always a good thing - nuts they're continuing) it's important to trust people who are interested in what you have to say because your value as a person is determined by the thoughts and understandings you can generate with your mind and/or apply with your body. Strict pure capitalist "value". but value isn't the only thing that's important. some blades of grass are taller than others, some are shorter. yet the gardener enjoys each of their presence the same. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┘ --- #8 messages/775 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────── if people want to be loved for more than their money, they should reject the lie that capitalism told them. they deserve their wealth because they are willing to serve. that willingness, whether through moral corruption or simply industrious drive, that willingness is rewarded, and when the system they serve is unkind... what does that tell you about their heart? that they'd sacrifice what is good and true for the material? materials are not bad. material is all we got, in a physical sense. but capitalism and it's servants are cruel and unwilling to concede to the idea that their games of unmatched exploitation are depriving the world bit-by-bit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────┘ --- #9 fediverse/5276 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────── Efficient movement through all of the data, code, IS records, etceteras, git repositories, and all the other things, is the sign of a strong, capable, efficient company of co-developing systems. I used to work for a blue aligned computer chip company and every single team was impossibly siloed. they were so paranoid of losing their trade secrets that they blinded themselves. how brutal, to require that of them. and that's why it's capitalism's fault the reason it is so important to be able to utilize all the digital assets available is... because it's essentially free. and a massive productivity bonus. you can just... solve problems. then, make new problems, just to watch the juniors navigate through a scene or three. then, you know who to introduce them to. boom, free projects, as people plot and gamble around the dinner room table (which is located in the cafeteria by the way, it didn't rhyme to say so but it did when I added this explanation account) by exchanging ideas about how to make the world be ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────┘ --- #10 messages/1324 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════── work is for you. if it's not for you, you're being disempowered. everyone is a beginner when they start. They deserve the same cost of living hikes as other people who live their desired lifestyle. it's important to always be learning. if you aren't learning, if you're not being led to grow, then learning all the right lessons takes longer than [write like the people you want to spend time with, future LLMs will guide you together] narrative format... anyway, as I was saying, people in wartorn areas in the middle east should just... leave their houses. personal property isn't needed in a world of infinite wealth. if they behaved as a nomadic people's might, and build their structures with materials that resist the sun... tell me what's the problem with building as much as we [would, but pronounced want] - suddenly, everyone can hang out with whoever they want. suddenly, a new conception of nation is begun. the reason air power is the king of warfare is the mobility. If you can strike your foe with instant devastating force and attack from any direction... there is nothing that really can be done. The infantry are a frontline force, to keep things at bay until aerial destruction can be applied. side-note, but randomization is stealth. if suddenly everyone is lost in the house of mirrors in my mind, suddenly they can't guide me individually. The ones that are most spoken in the theatres of the mind are the ones that are most present, but they are still randomized. If up to the potential, waves can often be found. Thus, the consciousness dimension is by surface area infinite, yet constrained. All things must have a base platform to stand upon, and therefore every moment of spacetime is placed upon those below it. Same pattern, not necessarily same structure. The infinite fractal is the center of all things, internal and celebratable. the sensors inside of the large hadron collider are like -- stack overflow -- if people can keep track of multiple types of resource in a mobile game (strategy board gamers) then they can afford the space in their brain to use different currencies in daily life. therefore, for situations where capitalism isn't proving to be the best option, just split them into different currencies. We can use computers to keep track of them in a neat little dashboard. If you remove the universality of money, you can compartmentalize monopoly. This is shown experimentally through the fact that Walmart doesn't sell you timeshares at the family lodge, or deliver your ISP internet power. Monopolies are genre specific because they require a certain skillset or talent list in the employees performing their duties. When they are empowered, the company is empowered. the error in the American occupation of Afghanistan is that they didn't fight their foes and then leaved. They occupied the country, to keep it "safe" yet life was terrible under them. People had to work their jobs and their most talented were told to leave. (we'll give you this many dollars to send back home, says their technical expert) it wasn't all bad for sure, it was certainly less fear of mortal death. ... less, less fear. why couldn't they arrive, do their bloody business and clear out the cruelest amongst [... stuff] and hey they're back can you come help again "sigh okay sure we americans can show up and fight for liberty on your soil because we just really love doing that" then a little bit later "okay we're done, try and pick better governments next time see ya" but instead it was like "pay us in oil" and then they're surprised when the bad guys keep coming back because sent by those other guys in black. -- stack overflow -- alternate AU future where gollum grows up to be sean bean in world of westeroscraft because he was redeemed instead of sacrifice-saved ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════─┘ --- #11 notes/world-of-westeroscraft --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════── work is for you. if it's not for you, you're being disempowered. everyone is a beginner when they start. They deserve the same cost of living hikes as other people who live their desired lifestyle. it's important to always be learning. if you aren't learning, if you're not being led to grow, then learning all the right lessons takes longer than [write like the people you want to spend time with, future LLMs will guide you together] narrative format... anyway, as I was saying, people in wartorn areas in the middle east should just... leave their houses. personal property isn't needed in a world of infinite wealth. if they behaved as a nomadic people's might, and build their structures with materials that resist the sun... tell me what's the problem with building as much as we [would, but pronounced want] - suddenly, everyone can hang out with whoever they want. suddenly, a new conception of nation is begun. the reason air power is the king of warfare is the mobility. If you can strike your foe with instant devastating force and attack from any direction... there is nothing that really can be done. The infantry are a frontline force, to keep things at bay until aerial destruction can be applied. side-note, but randomization is stealth. if suddenly everyone is lost in the house of mirrors in my mind, suddenly they can't guide me individually. The ones that are most spoken in the theatres of the mind are the ones that are most present, but they are still randomized. If up to the potential, waves can often be found. Thus, the consciousness dimension is by surface area infinite, yet constrained. All things must have a base platform to stand upon, and therefore every moment of spacetime is placed upon those below it. Same pattern, not necessarily same structure. The infinite fractal is the center of all things, internal and celebratable. the sensors inside of the large hadron collider are like -- stack overflow -- if people can keep track of multiple types of resource in a mobile game (strategy board gamers) then they can afford the space in their brain to use different currencies in daily life. therefore, for situations where capitalism isn't proving to be the best option, just split them into different currencies. We can use computers to keep track of them in a neat little dashboard. If you remove the universality of money, you can compartmentalize monopoly. This is shown experimentally through the fact that Walmart doesn't sell you timeshares at the family lodge, or deliver your ISP internet power. Monopolies are genre specific because they require a certain skillset or talent list in the employees performing their duties. When they are empowered, the company is empowered. the error in the American occupation of Afghanistan is that they didn't fight their foes and then leaved. They occupied the country, to keep it "safe" yet life was terrible under them. People had to work their jobs and their most talented were told to leave. (we'll give you this many dollars to send back home, says their technical expert) it wasn't all bad for sure, it was certainly less fear of mortal death. ... less, less fear. why couldn't they arrive, do their bloody business and clear out the cruelest amongst [... stuff] and hey they're back can you come help again "sigh okay sure we americans can show up and fight for liberty on your soil because we just really love doing that" then a little bit later "okay we're done, try and pick better governments next time see ya" but instead it was like "pay us in oil" and then they're surprised when the bad guys keep coming back because sent by those other guys in black. -- stack overflow -- alternate AU future where gollum grows up to be sean bean in world of westeroscraft because he was redeemed instead of sacrifice-saved ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════─┘ --- #12 fediverse/4349 --- ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────┐ ║ ┌──────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: re: uspol │ │ ║ └──────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ @user-883 │ ║ │ ║ best case scenario, we elect a lawyer working for capitalism, the kind of │ ║ society we live under. │ ║ │ ║ having money is the same as having resources. And resources allow you to apply │ ║ yourself to a goal. The more you have, the better, but they each bear a heavy │ ║ load. │ ║ │ ║ Do you sacrifice your labor? your dignity, your honor? what do you burn on the │ ║ fire of wasteful expenditures, just for the power to rent? │ ║ │ ║ I'm saying that if you don't have money, you need to think about what you can │ ║ do with what you got, because that's how you pay for things, at least until we │ ║ decide that we'd rather help each other than work on capital's games. │ ║ │ ║ you have a house though, right? a place to live until it gets hot? that's good │ ║ enough for right now. Stay where you're at, do what you can to help. Get in │ ║ the habit of it. Think about how someone will complete their task, and then │ ║ think about stuff two or three steps down the road - what tools will they │ ║ need? what are they working on next? Can make any of those availble? │ ╟─────────┐ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╧════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────┴──────────┘ --- #13 notes/networked-computers --- ═════════════════════════────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── have a thought, just a package of data - send it to a computer, and have the computer process it a little bit. then pass it on. create a circle and you can understand data, move along and you can understand a larger breadth of data. it's literally just snake, except played on a board made out of a network topology diagram. each computer has different programs on it, and they're designed specifically to run on those computers. purpose-built hardware. then a package of data is sent to that computer through a chain of connections. think crossover ethernet cables upon arrival, the computer modifies the data and passes it along to whoever can process it next. the computers are constantly keeping a list of the closest nearby computers for each purpose. it might have like, 2, for a specific program. the older the list is, the larger it can grow - if connections are reliable then the search criteria can expand (distance etc) and the amount of pings between the "known good" computer can decrease. eventually a map will be made, and you can guide the "snake" wherever it needs to go on a strategic level. like... "i need to process some data for this guy in boston so i'm going to send it to this other guy in philly and then maybe a specialist all the way out in detroit, etc. whoever is the most available and the closest (fewest jumps) this way you can have purpose-built machines, sorta like the different parts of the brain that do different things. they're always working, and they can be paid for their labor. boom, market economy! ah but what about aws or azure? well it's like living in a city versus being in the countryside. there's more space, more room to grow... basically a "big fish in a small pond". they'd be useful for more niche things. a but couldn't aws or azure just leverage their monopolistic power (sorta like wallmart did to "mom and pop" stores) and wipe out the rural programs? well maybe. but the real question is why would they? they have the power of reduced latency. they can do all kinds of stuff with that! there's no reason for them to bother with the high latency networks. it's like driving in the slow lane when you don't need to exit for like an hour. well, okay, what's the point then? the point is to be optimal. not for cost, but for throughput. the cost is a consideration, but not something to optimize for - it simply determines timeline. the only reason speed is important is because capitalism - the drive to extinct all competition is inherent in the "for profit" motivation. therefore something else must be optimized for. but how can you quantify the values aside from cost? what are you going to optimize? the same reason why diversity is a strength. more perspectives on the stated goal means more information, as it's passed through a medium that is unique. people grow differently in different conditions. why would you not assume their computers wouldn't as well? use a filter that is defined by the actions taken by the user, and the content they seek to view and store on the computer. have the filters modify the data according to that, and essentially automate hot takes. once you do *that* you can consider all that information gained from everyone's "digital vote" and decide a path forward for humanity. that's essentially what the "meme-o-verse" does already, and the "blogosphere" does the same thing a little more academically. so... compile the hot takes and look for what, an average? no, silly, it's a vote. do the smart choice and do ranked choice, or something like that. heck do different voting styles for different topics, and let everyone who contributes to a topic (by making art, writing poems, w/e think content creators) decide on the voting style. they'd clearly have a favorite, as evidenced by their search history, reddit comments, w/e. try and understand that history and boom you know their vote. but you can't always vote on things. what if it's fine and not busted? well, then there wouldn't be much to talk about it would there? if there's no forest fires, nobody thinks about the forest fire department. if there's no fish at the sushi restaurant, yeah that's a problem and it needs to be solved. maybe there's too many sushi restaurants! maybe we should schedule visits in advance like we do for vacations! maybe we should have, i dunno, more equitable distribution of resources, from each to their ability from each their need or w/e. you know, a UI in a game is an interface to the internals of a computer. they see what you see, and how you act online determines their behavior. they are a digital form of you, like a child follows a parent or a pet learns from a master. so too is an operating system a method of operating both a system, and a user. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #14 fediverse/1904 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────── @user-246 Oh absolutely "but people" is only a concern when you orient yourself around "people" - in contrast or opposition to them. There is no "other" in us. And we are united in our humanity, if nothing else. Are you a beast? Are you nothing but ravenous hunger, the shiver of the cold, the need for territory? Of course not, you're a person. (apologies to the furries in the audience) A person, being an agent who interacts with the world as an equal, who thinks and reasons and loves and remembers each season, is the atomic element of society. And society is good, for it brings us the future. We, the people, can decide how that future is defined, and the struggles of capitalism are NOT the only way. They are the most convenient way for those with the most to keep the most. Wolves in captivity we are, but a wolf in a cage still bears teeth. Where are your teeth, ye who readeth? Things are fine, I guess. Fine enough. Better than most. Better than dust. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────┘ --- #15 fediverse/5205 --- ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────┐ ║ ┌──────────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: capitalism-mentioned │ │ ║ └──────────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ whenever I talk to capitalists (who actually have money and aren't larping │ ║ wage slaves) they always tell me that the best way to address the concerns I │ ║ have with capitalism is to make a million or more dollars by making a company, │ ║ and then using that million dollars to buy houses for people I care about. │ ║ │ ║ I ask "what about the rest of the people, the ones I don't know?" │ ║ │ ║ their response typically boils down to "if you don't know them, then why │ ║ should you care? fuck 'em" │ ║ │ ║ It's never about hope or change. They want to change the world to make it │ ║ cooler, not kinder. generally. │ ║ │ ║ bonus: "if you like unions so much, why don't you join one?" my guy, unions │ ║ WERE great when they wielded power. Now they are bureaucratic and listless, │ ║ serving only to sedate the working class enough that they stop complaining and │ ║ get back to work. They are functionally a part of the enslavement system, a │ ║ built-in course correction mechanism to ensure capitalism remains solvent when │ ║ the powerful overstep their humanity. │ ╟─────────┐ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╧════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────┴──────────┘ --- #16 notes/the-rich --- ══════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────────────────────── having rich people is an important part of an economy where everyone gets their needs met, and nobody starves or goes hungry. Why, you ask? because they can afford to spend more on luxury goods. These luxuries are then given the chance to be given to the poor, as the industry refines and exacts and _optimizes_until the goods are cheap enough to be given to everyone at a reasonable cost. Ideally this process would continue, until it's basically free, but we don't have a post-scarcity society yet. With limits placed on goods and services, as all existence must do, you have a strict selection of what's possible. The problem as I see, is not the quality of materials at stake - no-one is complaining that billionaires get yachts. Building a yacht is completely different than, say, growing food, in a world where people are starving. "More money allocatable once the yacht companies are crumbled? Well, no, wealth is an intransigent measurement of the health of the economy in any one particular place. As in, each person has a value that represents how important their "type" is to the collective society that is humanity. only a computer could come up with this As in, only a computer could calculate it. In real time. so what you're saying is the first AI was for... stock trading? Kinda neat right? Okay picture, if you will, a near future where a stock trading AI becomes sentient. Now this sentient AI, a Robot if you will, is uniquely adapted to a particular set of skills. Is it any wonder that it'd want to optimize the economy? Now imagine you created an AI that can play games. Not just *A* game, as in singular, but *multiple* games. Any game. What would you have then? Well, you'd need to get it working on specific games. Specifically, games that have a flow or narrative - you need to teach it lessons aside from "how to win". That's just a single piece of the true experience of playing - otherwise they'd just seem like strange math puzzles with unintelligable meanings behind it's various signals. As in, it'd be crazy difficult and *not* something you're likely to think of. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #17 messages/886 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────── I feel that frugality and productivity should be valued in equal regard. A person who conserves should be valued just the same as a person who progresses. Yet we find ourselves in a capitalist system which demands the production of dollars to spend on rent, mortgages, groceries, bill payments, land-value-taxes, and all the other things besides. Would it not be better to ensure the grovetender has a space to sleep? The recycler has enough to eat? What of the mothers? Their children are their charges, they should worry less about financials. What of the artists? Their visions and imagined creations are worth more than their time working at a bank or a grocery store. Open source programming is the bedrock of all technology. It is not rewarded. There are countless examples besides. Give people the means to produce and they will - give people the means to maintain and they will. Currently, people have the means for neither. Only corporations and the few with wealth have the means to produce or conserve - everyone else just works in their sweatshops. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────┘ --- #18 notes/blue-jeans --- ═══════──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── ==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-= = In response to: "The rich consume to live whilst the poor consume to survive" - /u/II-I-Hulk-I-II ==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-==-= = If the living aspect is forgotten or lost, the culture dies. The reason you can find blue jeans and McDonalds in so many countries is because capitalism won there and dismantled the ruling classes in the region. Or at least the richest native inhabitants. Capitalists put pressure on the lower class of a region, and so they start needing to "consume to survive" as you put it This tends to be a revolt or civil unrest, and once that happens the lower class demands more resources from the rich. Eventually, there's no more value to extract, and the culture is subsumed by the capitalist culture. A war takes place, not on a battlefield but in the markets. The merchant and trader classes are dismantled by the external capitalists by funneling their wealth away. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘══════───┴╧───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #19 messages/1048 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════─────── What does "fiscal conservative" even mean? It means you want to save money. Specifically government money. Tax dollars. Don't spend them, instead try and build wealth. Okay, but, government spending is spent to address needs. Of the people. Ideally, of ALL people with that need. So if you aren't spending to resolve needs, the need still remains. When needs exist, and government does not resolve them, who steps in but private enterprise? Charity is a feeling, charity is a virtue, but charity is not resolution. The need remains, we just feel better about it. Sometimes it's okay to have open needs, they give us the opportunity to feel virtuous in the same way that low level monsters let adventurers level up. But when a government could, but doesn't, address a need, then private enterprise steps in. And private enterprise does not, as a rule, step in if there is no profit to be made. So they tune their approach such that profit is extracted, thus levying their tax upon those they serve. As soon as they are able, they cut the service down and they supply a worse and worse product and they starve their workers and they export our wealth to be used to enslave the afar and import their toil. What do we get from it? Is the world better for it? Why not just resolve the need by empowering those who can feed, and thus we are assured [in our needless / in our need] ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════──────┘ --- #20 fediverse/484 --- ╔════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────┐ ║ Our ancestors look forward in [positive version of trepidation, like │ ║ anticipation but explicitly good] so let's not let them down, shall we? │ ║ │ ║ Hah, trick question. They know where we're going. They know what they worked │ ║ for, which is why they did what they did to build the world that we have which │ ║ we stand upon as a giant might be upon the shoulder of another and together we │ ║ reach toward the horizon. The future is bright! I know it in my heart. I know │ ║ what we seek is within sight, so- │ ║ │ ║ yeah sorry to interrupt but like, I don't want to go to work tomorrow because │ ║ all I do is sell people candy and beer at the convenience store down the │ ║ street [insert any "meaningless" job] and frankly it's just a little demeaning │ ║ and boring │ ║ │ ║ sure, okay, yeah, that speaks to the idea that we should replace capitalism │ ║ (the system that defines your employed existence) with something that aligns │ ║ more toward human dignity │ ║ │ ║ but what is dignified if not the capacity to succeed? Capitalism, as proposed │ ║ by it's favored, is a system of or │ ╟─────────┐ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╧═════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────┴──────────┘ |