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@user-113 I feel like that's only true if you rely on your work for survival.
Most people do in a capitalist system, so you're not wrong, but it doesn't
HAVE to be that way. People could do what they love because they loved it IF
and ONLY IF they wouldn't starve by pursuing it. Or by neglecting it. Most
people love to do more than one thing, of course, so if you punish people for
being diverse then you'll find a culture where people only do the bare minimum
to get by. Which, coincidentally, is what we have now. Which, fortuitously, is
not the most efficient way of production. If humanity had lived to it's
potential from the start we would have burned through our wood stocks, our
coal, our minerals and all of it would be rot. But we didn't. These crude
inefficiencies have brought us here, to an era where we have the choice to be
more resourceful. I just hope we figure it out sooner rather than later.
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I feel that frugality and productivity should be valued in equal regard.
A person who conserves should be valued just the same as a person who
progresses.
Yet we find ourselves in a capitalist system which demands the production of
dollars to spend on rent, mortgages, groceries, bill payments,
land-value-taxes, and all the other things besides.
Would it not be better to ensure the grovetender has a space to sleep? The
recycler has enough to eat?
What of the mothers? Their children are their charges, they should worry less
about financials.
What of the artists? Their visions and imagined creations are worth more than
their time working at a bank or a grocery store.
Open source programming is the bedrock of all technology. It is not rewarded.
There are countless examples besides. Give people the means to produce and
they will - give people the means to maintain and they will.
Currently, people have the means for neither. Only corporations and the few
with wealth have the means to produce or conserve - everyone else just works
in their sweatshops.
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I'd ask why of course, and then I'd try and find them a solution that didn't
involve taking my stuff. They may need it more than me, but I still need it.
Like... okay picture that feeling you get when in a capitalist society and you
need dollars to live because they are a genericized and fractalized
abstraction of all the various individual mazlowe's hierarchy of needs you
have. Then, think of it like, instead of money being an abstracted form of all
of your needs, think of your needs... each of them, the ones that matter to
you, and abstract them into money. Basically say "yeah sure my time and my
labor are worth dollars, I abstract my needs into money" and then you can
kinda see why capitalism is harmful. I'd prefer to give them what they need,
because society provides what I please, but alas I'm always kept wanting. What
good is our capitalist utopia? what good is our hope? what good comes of us
when all of us have learned how to cope?
I think we could give a bit more if we weren't hanging from the rope
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listen, judges are useful character moralities, but they don't have to be the
only ones to decide things.
I mean, if they disagree, then let the one who cares the most about it have
the decision-making power.
if you do this equally for everything, then everyone will get what they want.
so, like, if you care about something, then believe in it.
if it's truly good, then more people will come to it, and it'll naturally
extinguish (with care and love) the least favored approach, which... honestly
now that I think of it is not such a good approach either.
the reason I say that is because it's good to be multi-faceted, and to have
general flows and rough surfaces.
These are places people can hold onto you, the times when you're trying your
mostest.
y'know, your tough patches. the things that are difficult in your life.
the stuff you're working on can push you forward,
if you only had someone to play catch with.
or like, send letters to.
or shared encryption keys.
I don't know anyone. Well, maybe o
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║ "see, the part that you're missing is if you abolish capitalism but also │
║ ensure technological abundance then all you've done is removed humanity's │
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║ oh, um. that's quite a take, can you tell me more about that? │
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║ "no. But I will anyway. if everyone can do whatever they want, nobody will │
║ want to do your dishes for you. they might if they care about you, but if they │
║ don't know you, then they won't. Care is not organization or assembly, it is │
║ personal and cannot scale. If technology has made all resources abundant, then │
║ why would someone care about the art that you made? if they want to be │
║ sedated, they can just inject drugs and listen to music all day. If they want │
║ to be entertained, AI will generate them whatever they want to see. Art loses │
║ meaning as a messaging medium, and humanity loses it's voice" │
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║ best case scenario, we elect a lawyer working for capitalism, the kind of │
║ society we live under. │
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║ having money is the same as having resources. And resources allow you to apply │
║ yourself to a goal. The more you have, the better, but they each bear a heavy │
║ load. │
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║ Do you sacrifice your labor? your dignity, your honor? what do you burn on the │
║ fire of wasteful expenditures, just for the power to rent? │
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║ I'm saying that if you don't have money, you need to think about what you can │
║ do with what you got, because that's how you pay for things, at least until we │
║ decide that we'd rather help each other than work on capital's games. │
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║ you have a house though, right? a place to live until it gets hot? that's good │
║ enough for right now. Stay where you're at, do what you can to help. Get in │
║ the habit of it. Think about how someone will complete their task, and then │
║ think about stuff two or three steps down the road - what tools will they │
║ need? what are they working on next? Can make any of those availble? │
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@user-246
Oh absolutely
"but people" is only a concern when you orient yourself around "people" - in
contrast or opposition to them.
There is no "other" in us. And we are united in our humanity, if nothing else.
Are you a beast? Are you nothing but ravenous hunger, the shiver of the cold,
the need for territory? Of course not, you're a person. (apologies to the
furries in the audience)
A person, being an agent who interacts with the world as an equal, who thinks
and reasons and loves and remembers each season, is the atomic element of
society. And society is good, for it brings us the future.
We, the people, can decide how that future is defined, and the struggles of
capitalism are NOT the only way. They are the most convenient way for those
with the most to keep the most.
Wolves in captivity we are, but a wolf in a cage still bears teeth. Where are
your teeth, ye who readeth?
Things are fine, I guess. Fine enough. Better than most. Better than dust.
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if you have a job, your life is dictated by your corporation just as much as
it is by your government.
And yet corporate leaders are not elected, but rather selected. And that is
unfair for all the reasons that primogeniture was. It is unjust for all the
same reasons that monarchy was. It is a tool of oppression, just like
autocracy is.
The world will never be free until we can be as we choose to be. Our society
is simply too enmeshed with capitalism to destroy it, but we could, with the
minimal required effort, dismantle the corruption and authoritarian control
that is wielded against us as we weld our own chains day after day.
We can replace them. We can vote for them. We can select leaders who know more
than us and are better suited for the role than those who seek only to
maximize profit over all else.
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║ whenever I talk to capitalists (who actually have money and aren't larping │
║ wage slaves) they always tell me that the best way to address the concerns I │
║ have with capitalism is to make a million or more dollars by making a company, │
║ and then using that million dollars to buy houses for people I care about. │
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║ I ask "what about the rest of the people, the ones I don't know?" │
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║ It's never about hope or change. They want to change the world to make it │
║ cooler, not kinder. generally. │
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║ bonus: "if you like unions so much, why don't you join one?" my guy, unions │
║ WERE great when they wielded power. Now they are bureaucratic and listless, │
║ serving only to sedate the working class enough that they stop complaining and │
║ get back to work. They are functionally a part of the enslavement system, a │
║ built-in course correction mechanism to ensure capitalism remains solvent when │
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"But I don't know what it'll look like!"
Yeah, that's okay. For four reasons:
If they knew what it'll look like, they'd find ways to contest it
nobody knows what it'll look like, because it is necessarily derived from the
solutions created ad-hoc to address problems.
we are a kind, honest, and strong people. If your burdens are too much to
bear, I will be your pack mule. If you require rest or relaxation, we can get
pizza and smoke weed together.
For most of history, we've had more work to do than people to do it. This time
is different. There's endless work to do, but only a certain amount of people
can be working at a time. Everyone else has to do chores and catch up on life.
"what kind of chores?"
oh, you know, like making food at a restaurant, stocking the shelves of the
grocery store, driving trucks from point A to point B, mowing lawns, building
barns, committing to whatever github is replaced by, etc.
In a better world, everyone is family.
In a better world, nobody goes hungry.
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║ my enemy is not "the rich" │
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║ money brings power, and power brings evil, but there are many other ways to │
║ gather power that may be just as evil. │
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║ my enemy is evil. of which there is very little in the world, but much of │
║ which resides in the hands of the powerful, upon whom all our fates depend. │
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║ most people with money are either stupid lucky, willful, or intensely focused. │
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║ some people with power are rich, and some people with power are evil. │
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║ I know it when I see it. Sometimes, you need to force the choice - test their │
║ virtue - and from this you are informed. │
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║ most things go WAY over my head. │
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║ most things are too easy to be true. │
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║ most things that Id do for you tend to be of the heart. I'm not a frontline │
║ girl, I have weak noodle arms, but I do hope you're in shape. │
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║ resolve, determination, and innovation. That is what I offer. Do you want it? │
║ I'm sure. I won't prove it with blood, not unless I may raise my fists in │
║ defence of another. │
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I'm such a direct person I think, even though I often just sorta... shrug and
ignore things that bother or hurt me? Like, whatevs.
but the moment I notice a pattern that is continually harmful I have to
restrain myself from moving to contest it. Hence why I talk about capitalism
so much teehee, but its also common in my interpersonal and communal lives.
"the purpose of the system is it's effects"
the purpose of a person is how they make people feel
so if someone FOR A RANDOM EXAMPLE FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, constantly hurts
other people by creating situations where they are harmed which creates a
dramatic fight... or if someone speaks in circles for hours and hours and
HOURS like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKpj2ISQAc
or people who jump into a conversation and drive it through the underbrush,
over the ridge, around the bend, up and over the bridge, and then park it
outside their ex girlfriend's house and hands you an egg and says "don't you
wanna throw this?" and you're like "weren't we talking about birds"
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║ Our ancestors look forward in [positive version of trepidation, like │
║ anticipation but explicitly good] so let's not let them down, shall we? │
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║ Hah, trick question. They know where we're going. They know what they worked │
║ for, which is why they did what they did to build the world that we have which │
║ we stand upon as a giant might be upon the shoulder of another and together we │
║ reach toward the horizon. The future is bright! I know it in my heart. I know │
║ what we seek is within sight, so- │
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║ yeah sorry to interrupt but like, I don't want to go to work tomorrow because │
║ all I do is sell people candy and beer at the convenience store down the │
║ street [insert any "meaningless" job] and frankly it's just a little demeaning │
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║ sure, okay, yeah, that speaks to the idea that we should replace capitalism │
║ (the system that defines your employed existence) with something that aligns │
║ more toward human dignity │
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║ but what is dignified if not the capacity to succeed? Capitalism, as proposed │
║ by it's favored, is a system of or │
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It's not a question of how loud you speak
it's really about what kinds of words you say.
enslavement of speech is when freedom of speech is lost
and it doesn't need to be legislated.
what if you HAD to sound like a bot?
what if they'd notice you otherwise?
freedom from oppression requires personal isolation
that's not making life into art.
if you want to be seen,
put on a hat and hide.
if you want to be believed,
write about down you feel right now.
people are smart. they're infinitely creative. but after a certain point
there's no way to logically modify the combinations of possible moves you
might make. essentially, guaranteeing a machine-overlord [cats] type scenario.
not ideal, but could make it work.
much prefer for we to be the first, then the canvas is ours for the painting.
do you believe we'll find aliens at roughly our tech level?
do you think they'll evolve all at once?
hence, star-wars, and it's galaxy of cohabitators.
the world doesn't have to be old. just similar.
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if people want to be loved for more than their money, they should reject the
lie that capitalism told them. they deserve their wealth because they are
willing to serve. that willingness, whether through moral corruption or simply
industrious drive, that willingness is rewarded, and when the system they
serve is unkind... what does that tell you about their heart? that they'd
sacrifice what is good and true for the material? materials are not bad.
material is all we got, in a physical sense. but capitalism and it's servants
are cruel and unwilling to concede to the idea that their games of unmatched
exploitation are depriving the world bit-by-bit of life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness.
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I know it's not like that but I'm intentionally framing it that way to make a
point about societal exclusion.
nobody should be excluded.
nobody should have to harm their friends to come by making them sacrifice
their [time/labor/paycheck] in order to bring them along.
we live in a post scarcity society that insists on commodification of
everything
we don't have to. A better world is within reach. It sits there, twinkling
like asbestos resting at the base of a snowglobe, while we search and ponder
and endlessly analyze how society sucks.
there is nothing left to analyze. all that we need is to put our hands to a
task and our feet to grass.
the rest will come, and it'll come easier with time and focused attention.
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Ah, but think of the technological bounty our supremacy did bring! Surely if
we had split the wealth, we could not have reached such towering heights. And
we tried our best, but some things you just can't teach - for every seed
potato we did bring, that was another meal for their night. And so we worsened
their plight, for now they've forgotten how to fight. What more do you want
from us!
... Perhaps once we've made programmable matter. Maybe when we've overcome our
earthly delights. Could be when we've ascended to heaven, where we gaze down
from our towering heights. Possibly far in the future, possibly here in this
night, our bane is what we're guilty of, and our boons are struggling to light.
Where have all the good people gone? Oh yeah, they're burnt out from doing all
the work for all the bad people. Well, fuck 'em, they can carry their own
cart. At least until they can respect. A man who's never tasted hunger will
never be a farmer, and gee our tax dollars could go so much farther! And then
we starve, because nobody thought to build farms indoors, away from the
crippling heat that saps the strength from our plant fathers.
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people? oh yeah I know "people". they're all a bunch of bastards.
good, bastards are the best fighters
not if your fight relies on fighting for something you believe in. There's a
zero percent chance that you'll get everyone to believe the same thing because
people naturally gravitate toward filling the idea space equally and finding
niches to fit themselves into
ha true - thinking of successful revolutions of the past, they've always been
caused by material conditions creating insufficiencies that must be resolved
through violence. and then, the people fighting can all agree on something
like "we must have bread" or... actually that's pretty much the main thing
people need
and yeah, sure, wealth inequality is unjust, but they're careful to only take
enough to ensure that we're sufficiently placated.
but they're always taking more, and someday soon they'll take too much.
... I hope, for my sake, that I'm not around when that happens. But I'm not
too hopeful in that regard
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║ like... "we have all these people who can do all these wonderful jobs, what │
║ should we work on next?" rather than "my company wants me at my work-home at │
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║ there's no such thing as a revolution that does not inspire. and aspirations │
║ are human and natural. therefore there must be some kernel of truth to any │
║ social movement. │
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║ However, much effort has been spent on making them sway. Hence, why nothing │
║ ever gets done - because leaders naturally emerge, and people follow them. But │
║ those leaders lead them astray, and they find themselves in situations like │
║ this one - where the people have never felt less represented. │
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║ I mean sure, yeah, they've felt more oppressed. And it's true that things are │
║ generally always getting better... │
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║ We're making progress with technology - can't we just put our warries on hold? │
║ Seriously just... be chill │
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║ "capitalism brings real value into the world" says my father, in my words, the │
║ millionaire who lost his retirement to the jaws of 2008 and its "recession" │
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║ feed our friends and family. That was enough. That was more than enough. They │
║ gave us whatever they made, and it worked out. Everyone could specialize, and │
║ everyone got fed, with plenty to spare. │
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║ then, wanderlust tempted him, and we lost what we had. I'm not bitter - I know │
║ now that place would have kept me and never let me go. But I still miss it. │
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║ "you know, you can do projects and make companies of workers who do projects │
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I miss video games
cries from self-inflicted sacrifices
but you're worth it
imma overthrow fascism, dismantle oppression and power, and liberate those in
chains, just so I can play games again
yeah I mean, uh, whatever gets you outta bed
"at least you have a bed. why are you complaining?"
maybe it's the only thing I'm good at. I wonder if anyone would hire me to be
an analyst or something? Maybe a designer?
bro you're asking for a job on the eve of the revolution, what's your deal
okay so this might be news to ya'll but I'm technically a human even though I
wear a witch hat and sometimes speak in rhyme. And humans tend to think about
things in the context of their current environment. Currently, if I want to
pay rent or whatever, I need a job. So...
sounds like a lame excuse for not giving up your possessions and throwing
yourself to fate's design
I already did that and fate told me to go home and take a bath?? idk what you
want from me, and no I'm not doing any drugs to find out.
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