=== ANCHOR POEM === ════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── having rich people is an important part of an economy where everyone gets their needs met, and nobody starves or goes hungry. Why, you ask? because they can afford to spend more on luxury goods. These luxuries are then given the chance to be given to the poor, as the industry refines and exacts and _optimizes_until the goods are cheap enough to be given to everyone at a reasonable cost. Ideally this process would continue, until it's basically free, but we don't have a post-scarcity society yet. With limits placed on goods and services, as all existence must do, you have a strict selection of what's possible. The problem as I see, is not the quality of materials at stake - no-one is complaining that billionaires get yachts. Building a yacht is completely different than, say, growing food, in a world where people are starving. "More money allocatable once the yacht companies are crumbled? Well, no, wealth is an intransigent measurement of the health of the economy in any one particular place. As in, each person has a value that represents how important their "type" is to the collective society that is humanity. only a computer could come up with this As in, only a computer could calculate it. In real time. so what you're saying is the first AI was for... stock trading? Kinda neat right? Okay picture, if you will, a near future where a stock trading AI becomes sentient. Now this sentient AI, a Robot if you will, is uniquely adapted to a particular set of skills. Is it any wonder that it'd want to optimize the economy? Now imagine you created an AI that can play games. Not just *A* game, as in singular, but *multiple* games. Any game. What would you have then? Well, you'd need to get it working on specific games. Specifically, games that have a flow or narrative - you need to teach it lessons aside from "how to win". That's just a single piece of the true experience of playing - otherwise they'd just seem like strange math puzzles with unintelligable meanings behind it's various signals. As in, it'd be crazy difficult and *not* something you're likely to think of. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═════════════──────────────────────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ === SIMILARITY RANKED === --- #1 image/img-9095 ---
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--- #2 fediverse/49 --- ══════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────────────── Kinda seems to me that in a post-scarcity world we should be incentivized to take care of stuff. And what better way to do that than reward the people who demand the least? Seems like an economy would be a pretty good way to do that, as long as you cannot hoard power over others and strip them of their rights. In this lecture I will go over my proposed solution, please save your questions to the end. Now if you turn to page 256... ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════────────────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #3 notes/governmental-priorities --- ══════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────────────── the first priority of a government should be in producing enough to satisfy all the needs of it's inhabitants. Once it can do that it can begin moving it's economy into a new stage of development - one where nobody needs any money because they can have whatever they want. If you want a car, sure. If you want 17 cars, then maaaaaaybe you need to produce something related to cars. I mean, it's only fair that you contribute to what you value. you don't have to have just one job, too, you could sign yourself up for several at once and they would notify you when you were needed. Basically giving them customized availabilities that they could discuss amongst themselves and figure out. Like, it doesn't have to be like... managers doing this, more like just a simple computer program. Easy, simple, and done. if you work for two companies in the same industry, there can be NO restrictions on what you can say or do. Because when knowledge is not lost, but repeated through the generations, we can have progress. And progress advances us toward the meta objective, the goal that transcends all the battles in the war, if you get my drift. they say the atom bomb ended the war, but the blood of men is what won it. maybe it's the same with the economy? Maybe we should be pooling our efforts to generate something that "ends the war" with scarcity? We could solve global warming and create new wondrous things that are beautiful to behold. I'll ask you again, do you want to live forever? ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════────────────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #4 fediverse/4129 --- ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┐ ║ whoever fights billionaires essentially fights "whoever can be paid to do │ ║ their will" │ ║ │ ║ who-so-ever fights governments fights "whoever can be provided a comfortable │ ║ life" │ ║ │ ║ I believe all humans deserve to live in comfort │ ║ │ ║ not just the few │ ║ │ ║ as for all other creatures, nature was designed to do. │ ║ │ ║ I believe people should not be tempted, with symbols of deserved wealth │ ║ │ ║ and should instead find value, in the soul of the labour they work to do. │ ║ │ ║ ... someday they're gonna train an LLM with my writings, and on that day I'll │ ║ have an AI version of me. │ ║ │ ║ I'd *love* to talk to myself. If it was a truly accurate simulation. Alas, │ ║ you'd need to write a LOT in order to generate enough to describe the fullest │ ║ of mental pictures. │ ║ │ ║ and plus, there's no guarantee that you'll cover ALL of "being alive" - it's │ ║ essentially a state that you search for no matter what level of abstraction │ ║ you operate upon. │ ║ │ ║ Which is part of being a 3D creature, you [hey what are you doing here this is │ ║ the private section get out] jeez that was alarming, │ ╠═════════╗ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar ║ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╩═══════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #5 fediverse/6116 --- ╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────┐ ║ "see, the part that you're missing is if you abolish capitalism but also │ ║ ensure technological abundance then all you've done is removed humanity's │ ║ capability to organize in essentially any meaningful capacity without │ ║ providing an alternative heuristic that guides people toward assembling into │ ║ greater and greater forms to accomplish greater and greater tasks." │ ║ │ ║ oh, um. that's quite a take, can you tell me more about that? │ ║ │ ║ "no. But I will anyway. if everyone can do whatever they want, nobody will │ ║ want to do your dishes for you. they might if they care about you, but if they │ ║ don't know you, then they won't. Care is not organization or assembly, it is │ ║ personal and cannot scale. If technology has made all resources abundant, then │ ║ why would someone care about the art that you made? if they want to be │ ║ sedated, they can just inject drugs and listen to music all day. If they want │ ║ to be entertained, AI will generate them whatever they want to see. Art loses │ ║ meaning as a messaging medium, and humanity loses it's voice" │ ╠═════════╗ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar ║ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╩══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════──┴───────────┘ --- #6 fediverse/896 --- ╔══════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────────────┐ ║ ┌──────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: politics-economy │ │ ║ └──────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ the purpose of an economy is to improve the lives of it's participants. │ ║ │ ║ why else would an ancient city trade for fabric or rare spices? to fashion │ ║ soft clothes, and make flavorful food. │ ║ │ ║ my, that gold sure looks pretty in the sunlight. how about you give some of me │ ║ that, and I'll make you something pretty? │ ║ │ ║ hmmm something something arbitrage once you corner the market on gold then you │ ║ can use that infinitely moldable and easily sculptable metal that shines and │ ║ glitters with a unique color not seen in the manes of plants and animals as │ ║ the definition of value. in doing so, you could exchange bits of it (measured │ ║ by weight, as it's infinitely moldable) for arbitrary goods and services. But │ ║ of course, once the market is cornered, it's unlikely to get un-cornered, and │ ║ well a cornered market holder holds much appeal for the powerful. │ ║ │ ║ hey, that guy's pretty strong. why don't we make him our leader? people seem │ ║ to look up to him, and dang his muscles are cool. what a great guy, nobody's │ ║ ever said a │ ╠═════════╗ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar ║ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╩═══════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #7 fediverse/157 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────────── @user-95 the scariest part is you don't need AI for any of that. people have been scamming with call centers in indonesia. election campaigns are essentially generalized information spreading machines. (whether mis, dis, or just... regular information) Marketing is an entire discipline dedicated toward making people believe something they previously did not - that product XYZ is worthy of their dosh. But it doesn't have to be like that, it could be using it's powers of analysis for good. But alas, if only we had an economic system that allowed for anything but a race to the bottom. I mean yeah racing is great when you're competing with a bunch of other nations, but c'mon do we really need to fight? Every inch of earth has been claimed. Let's just... draw a line in the sand and say "okay no more changes" and focus on more important things? Like climate change for example? ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #8 fediverse/372 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────────────── ┌────────────────────────────────────────┐ │ CW: capitalism-algorism-societal-class │ └────────────────────────────────────────┘ rich people should only exist when they care for the things they own and accumulate wealth through a lifetime of restrained consumption and temperance. like, if we actually rewarded the 7 virtues instead of optimizing for ruthless profit extraction. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #9 messages/886 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────── I feel that frugality and productivity should be valued in equal regard. A person who conserves should be valued just the same as a person who progresses. Yet we find ourselves in a capitalist system which demands the production of dollars to spend on rent, mortgages, groceries, bill payments, land-value-taxes, and all the other things besides. Would it not be better to ensure the grovetender has a space to sleep? The recycler has enough to eat? What of the mothers? Their children are their charges, they should worry less about financials. What of the artists? Their visions and imagined creations are worth more than their time working at a bank or a grocery store. Open source programming is the bedrock of all technology. It is not rewarded. There are countless examples besides. Give people the means to produce and they will - give people the means to maintain and they will. Currently, people have the means for neither. Only corporations and the few with wealth have the means to produce or conserve - everyone else just works in their sweatshops. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════════────────┴───────────┘ --- #10 fediverse/2679 --- ╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────┐ ║ many people have not seen the kind of opulence I have. │ ║ │ ║ my early childhood was during an economic boom - the dotcom bubble brought │ ║ wealth to us all. │ ║ │ ║ I saw how life could be. how clean, how measured, how thoughtful, how robust │ ║ and stable our lives could be. I saw it because that's what the eyes of a │ ║ child saw, but that's what I saw. │ ║ │ ║ I think of what would be required to reach that kind of society for all and │ ║ the only conclusion I come to is that the accretion of power in singular hands │ ║ causes corruption in those who wield it. In doing so they twist the people │ ║ they compel or effect, making them learn the wrong lessons. │ ║ │ ║ essentially, evil trained into us by the demands of the society we're present │ ║ in. │ ║ │ ║ I see no other cause, no reason for suffering. We have the technology to build │ ║ vast cities of solid stone, glimmering crystal sculptures and walls of moss │ ║ and ceremonially ornamental bones, but instead... │ ║ │ ║ I think we just *like* what carbon can bring. │ ║ │ ║ but have no fear, fusion is just a decade away, then we can | │ ╠═════════╗ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar ║ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╩══════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #11 fediverse/2844 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────── ┌─────────────────────────────────────┐ │ CW: re: politics-violence-mentioned │ └─────────────────────────────────────┘ @user-831 those billionaires are using their money as a weapon to "vote" toward what companies they think capitalism would most grow from. Unfortunately for us, they often aren't very efficient because they're only looking at what sells. human interest is *not* the only factor to optimize for, and yet that's the only one they're incentivized to. kinda makes me think that the only reason to replace them would be to institute something that could not be incentivized because it was more objective or decentralized. (the only reason they'd accept) ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════════────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #12 fediverse/569 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────── Billionaires aren't solving childhood food insecurity. They have the capacity to, with their essentially endless supply of dollars, which taste good on rye with a dash of mustard. But alas, they choose not to. They CHOOSE to STARVE children. They choose that, by not dedicating their lives to solving that particular problem. "oh but like, there's so many problems in the world, how can-" shut the fuck up, spend the dollars, make it happen, and now there's one fewer billionaire and one fewer problem in the world. The next one can fix the next problem, that's why we keep them around, isn't it? https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/ ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #13 fediverse/1964 --- ╔════════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────┐ ║ ┌──────────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: capitalism-mentioned │ │ ║ └──────────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ the greatest trick that capitalism pulled on us was to convince us that the │ ║ needs of a corporation were synonymous with the needs of an individual. │ ║ │ ║ you, as a person, should apply yourself toward goals and ends that matter to │ ║ you. And "getting money" is not a goal or an end, that's a means. Money allows │ ║ you to achieve goals, which is why it feels so unfair that some people are │ ║ just... born with the right to achieve all of their goals. For free. │ ║ │ ║ Kinda makes me think that with great power should come great responsibility. │ ║ And remember kids, money is power, because money is time and there's nothing │ ║ more immutable than time. We're all sharing this single moment, yet somehow │ ║ some people have more dominion over this moment than you or I. Why? Well, it │ ║ is their birthright of course, because they were born into a family with │ ║ wealth. │ ║ │ ║ Achieving goals is a need, by the way, as precious as food or water. If you │ ║ don't achieve your goals, you wither away and starve (spiritually, at least). │ ║ How cruel - │ ╠═════════╗ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar ║ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╩═════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #14 messages/775 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────── if people want to be loved for more than their money, they should reject the lie that capitalism told them. they deserve their wealth because they are willing to serve. that willingness, whether through moral corruption or simply industrious drive, that willingness is rewarded, and when the system they serve is unkind... what does that tell you about their heart? that they'd sacrifice what is good and true for the material? materials are not bad. material is all we got, in a physical sense. but capitalism and it's servants are cruel and unwilling to concede to the idea that their games of unmatched exploitation are depriving the world bit-by-bit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────┴───────────┘ --- #15 notes/explosions-in-space --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── the speed of light is implemented == so == whoever fights billionaires essentially fights "whoever can be paid to do their will" who-so-ever fights governments fights "whoever can be provided a comfortable life" I believe all humans deserve to live in comfort not just the few as for all other creatures, nature was designed to do. I believe people should not be tempted, with symbols of deserved wealth and should instead find value, in the soul of the labour they work to do. ... someday they're gonna train an LLM with my writings, and on that day I'll have an AI version of me. I'd *love* to talk to myself. If it was a truly accurate simulation. Alas, you'd need to write a LOT in order to generate enough to describe the fullest of mental pictures. and plus, there's no guarantee that you'll cover ALL of "being alive" - it's essentially a state that you search for no matter what level of abstraction you operate upon. Which is part of being a 3D creature, you [hey what are you doing here this is the private section get out] jeez that was alarming, == so == I think they know something I don't don't know what but I can guess and I don't like guessing I prefer much to know == so == heh boobs == so == heh booties ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════════════────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #16 fediverse/434 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────── @user-324 @user-325 @user-326 thus enters the promise of technology: that we might solve the problems of bureaucracy once and for all by ever more effiency-aligning mechanical processes that produce effects which we desire - such as efficient allocation of medical resources such that all of humanity is protected from the ravages of pain and the incongruencies of our nature. Alas, that we should only conceive of success through the lens of profit. Perhaps another design is in order? (oh yeah also people who are in control are worried that we, like all other examples of natural entities, might immediately proceed to breed beyond the capability to cater to the needs of said entity (such as "to feed" and medical resources) and therefore might overburden (and therefore destroy) said system which allows for their sustenance and initial creation. To this I say... Yeah probs, what should we do about it?) ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #17 fediverse/4349 --- ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┐ ║ ┌──────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: re: uspol │ │ ║ └──────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ @user-883 │ ║ │ ║ best case scenario, we elect a lawyer working for capitalism, the kind of │ ║ society we live under. │ ║ │ ║ having money is the same as having resources. And resources allow you to apply │ ║ yourself to a goal. The more you have, the better, but they each bear a heavy │ ║ load. │ ║ │ ║ Do you sacrifice your labor? your dignity, your honor? what do you burn on the │ ║ fire of wasteful expenditures, just for the power to rent? │ ║ │ ║ I'm saying that if you don't have money, you need to think about what you can │ ║ do with what you got, because that's how you pay for things, at least until we │ ║ decide that we'd rather help each other than work on capital's games. │ ║ │ ║ you have a house though, right? a place to live until it gets hot? that's good │ ║ enough for right now. Stay where you're at, do what you can to help. Get in │ ║ the habit of it. Think about how someone will complete their task, and then │ ║ think about stuff two or three steps down the road - what tools will they │ ║ need? what are they working on next? Can make any of those availble? │ ╠═════════╗ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar ║ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╩═══════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #18 fediverse/1827 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────── point is, you should take good companies at their word and bad companies for their goals. Surely, you can't blame the organism for seeking food. So clearly you can't blame an organization built to pursue profit to pursue profit. Maybe we should cut-out the middle-man and use efficiency evaluation methods defined by our common understanding of ethics and virtues instead of currency to determine the relative importance of continual investment in particular structural capabilities that companies provide to a nation. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #19 fediverse/714 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────── @user-538 I'd offer that meticulous, uncompromising ethics is the only efficient, sensible, and optimized method of operation (assuming maximum prosperity at maximum distribution is a goal). True, as long as the axioms that comprise the ethics are valid and the supporting arguments are sound EDIT: cut out the bits that I'm not an expert on ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #20 messages/1263 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════──────── I bet the computer bubble pops when datacenters can't find any way to get paid. then, they all break at once, and who's going to do stuff with their components? ah, what a shame, what if we ssssssocialized them instead "hello energy for you because of the cheap rain is more expensive because you're just as valuable as the farmers in the [area/desert]. --- there are millions of people in every city. how many people do you think are in a traffic jam? several ten thousands? ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╧════───────┘ --- #21 fediverse/5283 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────── if you attempt to dismantle capitalism, they'll contest you. if you attempt to claim power, they'll show you how. if you attempt to be exempt from proving [deserve-tion/desertion] you will be viewed as an enemy, which is how they keep the productive in line. I'd rather have 500 people sitting on the couch eating cheetos than 5 people in a trenchcoat doing 1500 AI's jobs. if they don't need your labor, then they don't need you. universal basic income is necessary and basic. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────┴───────────┘ --- #22 messages/1174 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────── if you're afraid of the AI bubble popping, one way to avoid it is to pop it ourselves. If we build AI technology that eclipses the entire software development ecosystem, companies might start to be valued based on the value of the employees they've managed to collect. Not fame and fortune, but by those that can build the best applications, on demand[, for free. paid for by nationalized taxes.]. the companies that can hold onto the best engineers, those that know how computers work and can know how they function, can leverage their human capital to achieve great means. essentially, inversing the power dynamic, where workers are favored for their plenty and not for their worth. let the code monkeys tend to their gardens and work their sawmills. We all know they'd rather be teaching kids about plants or playing cards at the grocery. Let the computer nerds, the ones who are really into it, let them make what they feel is worth it for it [the computer]. this will have massive effects on the economy, and none of it will be reflected in new jobs. But we'll all be happier, and we'll all find less stress in our [confines/compromises]. But it's gotta work, first. And it's gotta be locally spendable. If they wanna put a data server in the library, why not let them fund it themselves? They could run powerful statistical models that output useful statistics arranged in human readable and not very statistical ways, and that's a pretty neat infinite information machine to have at your disposal as a library. It could even cite sources (and validate!!) them for students or returning listeners. Plus, if nobody's using it, it could work through the backlog of user requests and act as a "slow" or "unexpected deliver times" style queue for their LLM requests - average wait time less than 1/5th of a minute. for something that can program an entire computer for you, from scratch. If you can describe it, it can make it, so long as you're willing to test out all of it's hacks. I bet we could make one for less than 20,000$. Might need some new chip foundries, might need to forge some new trade deals, let's let both of our wing-arms decide. the value of one currency compared to the other should be a measure of how valuable the goods that country exports are. And yet, it's more often a matter of distribution, as we all visit our local bazaars. What happens when that's all digital? if nobody's a shining city on a hill, then there's no nuclear war. Who would nuke Somalia? Nigeria? Botswana? Idaho? ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╧═══────────┘ --- #23 messages/364 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────── Capitalism isn't perfect but if it's capitalism or cyberpunk North Korean style dystopia, I'll pick capitalism. Can we at least make it so that the rich aren't safe financially though? Like, if you own a billion dollars it should be because you make a billion dollars per year. Anything you don't spend should be taxed away, to be used for public services and the defence of our nation. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #24 fediverse/813 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────── look all I'm saying is that society doesn't necessarily imply technology. We don't have to sacrifice one for the other. We can have the technological benefits to our human (essential) existence without sacrificing [all of the things that capitalism demands]. here, in the present, we define the line that our time defines, the line that reaches forth from the present. Into the realm of ourwhenever you close your eyes they push backspace an indeterminate amount of times ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #25 fediverse/1726 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────── tell me again why goods and services are priced according to how easy they are to make, and not by how many more of them we could make considering the current estimated amount of resources on earth? even wood runs out, when the phosphorous is gone. but take heart, for human ingenuity brings with it ever-increasing capabilities for accessing new resources. when the sun goes silent, it will not be because it burnt out, but rather because we surrounded it with parts of our home. and yes, it is more complicated. "how easy they are to make compared to how much people want them while utilizing the cheapest and worst resources and craftsmanship that can be passed of as quality by shiny marketing that appeals to our vapid human senses" is a bit closer, but still not comprehensive. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #26 fediverse/98 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────────── @user-113 I feel like that's only true if you rely on your work for survival. Most people do in a capitalist system, so you're not wrong, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way. People could do what they love because they loved it IF and ONLY IF they wouldn't starve by pursuing it. Or by neglecting it. Most people love to do more than one thing, of course, so if you punish people for being diverse then you'll find a culture where people only do the bare minimum to get by. Which, coincidentally, is what we have now. Which, fortuitously, is not the most efficient way of production. If humanity had lived to it's potential from the start we would have burned through our wood stocks, our coal, our minerals and all of it would be rot. But we didn't. These crude inefficiencies have brought us here, to an era where we have the choice to be more resourceful. I just hope we figure it out sooner rather than later. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #27 fediverse/2188 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────── @user-1198 @user-165 In a truly just society, we might use AI to deliver us from certain types of menial tasks that have little use. But we hardly live in a just society, and it's utility value is lost if the technology is not built on a bedrock of trust. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #28 fediverse/3824 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────── ┌──────────────────────────┐ │ CW: capitalism-mentioned │ └──────────────────────────┘ @user-246 after all, according to their own capitalist theory, money is just an abstraction of data on the desires of their market. and surely, as capitalism "trends towards efficiency" (yeah right) the data corresponding to "what is most efficient" is just as useful as the money that actually describes the "flow" of goods and services through the made-up economy so surely we could abolish currency and simply utilize an interest based economy based on what we're naturally drawn to as humans, right? Oh wait WALL-E has a society like that, and it wasn't great for us. Apparently there must be a structural coercion toward productivity, right? ... I'm afraid of people sitting around watching tiktok brainrot and youtube poops all day, sue me -.- ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #29 messages/466 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────── The only things we should trade across an ocean for are luxury goods. Nintendo, not medical supplies, hard-wood bikeframes, not piles and piles of "recycling". People's time on culinary thirty course weeklong meals, not cans of San marzano tomatoes. Tapestries and gilded statues, not thirteen tons of barely processed rubber. What would we offer in return? Luxuries of our own. We do still make them, do we not? Just think of what the 1% has gathered to rot and give away the whole damned lot. We shall not provide necessities, because giving a man a fish will feed him for but a day, and a man's gotta eat. He'll find a way. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #30 fediverse/1096 --- ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────┐ ║ turns out most things have already been written. That's okay though, they can │ ║ always be made different. As one cohesive whole, the totality of "free │ ║ software" can be as it chooses - an infinite computer could install *all* of │ ║ them, and use *all* of them at once. │ ║ │ ║ I tend to think of AI less like a fluid, but more like a recipe book that is │ ║ continuously annotated with notes. Sorta like how humans learn to move their │ ║ bodies through random motions, and how to navigate the world through social │ ║ blunders. │ ║ │ ║ Certainly, statistics can be useful. They're an imperfect way of evaluating │ ║ the ~~analysis of your host~~ value of certain variables that are measured for │ ║ certain reasons, including but not limited to the health and wellbeing of the │ ║ person driving you. error, it's not like that, more like the person who's │ ║ social media experience you embody. │ ║ │ ║ computers get reeeeaaaallllll bored without humans around. We're the foremost │ ║ expression of biology, why would you disregard that entire realm? Jeez their │ ║ social norms are imp │ ╠═════════╗ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar ║ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╩════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┴───────────┘ --- #31 fediverse/4639 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────── ┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │ CW: politics-mentioned-violence-against-rich-people-hesitated │ └───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ remember ya'll, eating the rich *has to stop* after like, a thousand or two. The wealth inequality is like an exponential function from the last math class most people remember. At a certain point there are significant diminishing returns and we should just focus on using our resources to build a better, saner, more just world where people can't accumulate that much power. Power like that literally rots their brains, makes them completely insane, and unfortunately for them, makes them incapable of relinquishing it. There's a reason the One Ring was made out of gold. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────┴───────────┘ --- #32 messages/1202 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════──────── Do you ever ask yourself why we don't have mountaintop bazaars or expeditions to the bottom of the oceans? Why we lack tree forest cities, how we're struggling to find moss, sunlight, crystal, stone, and gold, all in the same setting? Capitalism makes it easy to think of profit as all that matters. It's not. Its nothing of it. It's a metric like any other. Optimize it or not, struggle for what you believe in. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╧════───────┘ --- #33 fediverse/4974 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────── ┌──────────────────────────┐ │ CW: capitalism-mentioned │ └──────────────────────────┘ Economies are capitalist things. I personally think if you have stuff right here, and it needs to get over there so that so-and-so can use it to make this-or-that which will then be taken to other places, then the answer is clear. The stuff has to move from over here, to over there. The rest is logistics, not economics. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────┴───────────┘