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@user-570
that sounds like a different application than what I was talking about (it's
for the the MMO you mentioned right?)
and I'm just going off of what I've heard. Like... the "don't make an MMO
because you'll spend forever building the server code and won't ever get
around to making the actual game" sentiment that is prevalent in the industry.
I guess I'm just saying that with the open source advancements we've made
(specifically with Azerothcore and Eluna) we can use the design of the best
MMO ever made as a starting point and branch off from there roughly as easily
as making another kind of game from scratch.
Kinda was always the allure of Blizzard games to me, the idea that they were
super duper modable.
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Look all I'm saying is all the people who say "oh you shouldn't make an MMO
for your first game" clearly have never heard of Azerothcore. Literally as
long as you don't sell it you can make the MMO of your dreams crazy easily.
You can script it in LUA for crying out loud.
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@user-570
have you ever wanted to design your own MMO? If you think you can make a
client, there's a server already set up which interfaces with World of
Warcraft. So... the hardest part is done, and suddenly the rest is about as
hard as making any other game.
The reason I ask is because there's no open-source client for the WoW engine
server software Azerothcore, but if written then there could be a whole new
field of indie design as solo developers would be able to build their own
multiplayer games with ease.
well, as easy as making a game in Godot at least. That's the dream. I don't
think I could build such an engine, but I spend an awful lot of time thinking
about how engines are built.
There's a lot of freedom in the design space, for example this mod server I
made which emulates Risk of Rain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HsW4g2ZIgk
It has randomized enemies, treasure chests, wandering vendors, and deployable
hearthstones. If you've played WoW that stuff might ring a bell, otherwise
it's probably just random features
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@user-570
true. the "massively multiplayer" aspect of WoW is about as important to the
game as the "A" is in "ARPG".
I can't help but feel like the "impromptu groups" functionality feels a bit
better than matchmaker instancing... though anything worth running a group for
in WoW after TBC was instanced >.>
Honestly I think there's just too many games these days for people to really
get "into" MMORPGs, unless they're sufficiently unique in their mechanics
(like EVE or Runescape)
any ARPG MMOs are dead on launch, as you said. That design space is tapped
out, at least for now, until someone comes along and makes it a deckbuilding
roguelike or whatever. cough cough
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@user-570
I'd LOVE a game which taught toki pona!!
You've brought some of this up before. I'm uninterested in co-opting some
existing thing in a way I then can't support myself off of.
Well my points are these:
MMOs are difficult because of the added complexity in their networking
an open source networking solution exists
however no open source client solution exists
but one could be written, which is about as hard as making a game using Bevy
or Raylib or Love2D, and if one were written, then games could easily be made
on-top of them which you would then support yourself off of. I mean... I'd
want to support myself too haha, and I can think of like 100 different games
that could be made in an engine like that.
the idea is that by opening up more design space you can apply your ideas as
an early pioneer in a particular design direction that hasn't been able to be
explored because the up-front investments in making an MMO are huge.
Meanwhile, with this system you could script them in Lua very easily.
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I love programming, but I'm not a coder.
you burn witches because you JUST CAN'T HANDLE THEM ANYMORE. I know, I get it.
of course I do.
I'm always so concerned that someone might stumble upon me. that they might
read me. what a vulnerable state, to be afraid?!
I really really really really wanna play world of warcraft
my message to blissard is: treat World of Warcraft like a game engine, not a
theme park please. I mean, the theme park should still exist, because it's neat
but... the rest of the game engine could be used to create essentially
anything with a 3rd person camera.
singleplayer doesn't even need to worry about clipping animations. (lag)
I wonder if you could run World of Warcraft on lowest settings in vanilla
burning crusade or wrath of the lich king? good thing those are open source
now, so you can host your own if you want. well, except the client, but nobody
has bothered to write another one besides the owner and primary developers of
the engine.
movement system plugins? data memory?~~~
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imagine if there was a stacking inf bonus to players who played on red /
blueside
which increased or decreased depending on either A. the number of players
online
at the time, B. the proportion of players playing on that team versus the
other,
or C. the time of day. Essentially helping to cure the faction imbalance by
offering rewards to one side or the other which would encourage a certain group
in the population of the game to change sides or not.
perhaps frequent changing could grant a title called "mercenary" or something
like "log in for each consecutive day for 10 days straight and each day switch
faction alignment at least once"
... anyway you could cure the faction imbalance between redside / blueside by
offering an INF reward for playing on each side one by one alternating like an
iterator first red then blue or first blue then red either way it doesn't
matter
because it'll switch after a while and encourage everyone to switch sides. And
the way the character responds to that stimulus tells you a bit about their
character's personality.
also...
it should not affect AE or Pocket D farms.
Nor missions, TFs, or anything else.
they should SOLELY impact open world patrolling / hunting.
I believe this would not only incentivize people to spend time in the open
world
(which is a mostly unused piece of game assets) but it would also increase the
visibility of the newly bolstered faction numbers.
Think about it - if everyone who switched sides is out in the open world, then
they could see each other. They could fight the same mobs, and team up
together.
In doing so, they could form greater and greater supergroups - if only through
their interactions with one another as they level up.
If they're lucky, the guild they're recruited into has similar interests in
mind
like doing raiding or PvP or economics or alts or whatever. And they each have
their own different styles of operating, it's soooo cute. Like alt guilds will
pop up and then migrate to a new one as people make new alts and grow tired of
them at higher levels.
It's great.
I love MMOs!
I wish people put half as much effort into making an open source WoW client
that
they do programming game engines like Godot or Raylib or Bevy. If such a thing
was created, we could have a new rennaisance in indie MMO development. It would
become fully non-proprietary, the entire game-platform-stack. Meaning anyone
could create their own MMO off of it, because (crucially) the serverside soft-
-ware has already been reverse engineered. And open sourced.
Seriously. You wanna make as much bank as Steam? Make an open source client
that
lets you design while in it. Then you could charge people for all the games
that
they played that were designed and hosted by you the content designing software
maker.
... okay it's probably not that simple I'm going to go play Unreal
Tournament2k4
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║ oh, are you concerned that I'll wrest power from the government? ha, what a │
║ trifling notion. I don't care about the government. I tried to care, but │
║ nobody liked my ideas. they required too much computing infrastructure to │
║ feasibly test, and that made people dubious. but I tell ya, it would have │
║ worked. The thing is... governance, economics, these are not the tools of │
║ power. they are a shifting and changing beast that mirrors the human instinct, │
║ if only because the government is of the people and by the people and for the │
║ people etcetera. │
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║ power is it's own thing. you can use to to power devices, or power the usage │
║ of those devices. I, for example, really like World of Warcraft which's a │
║ really neat way to chat because none of the chat logs are stored and monitored │
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Building community without structure is kinda like being a quest-giving
non-player character in World of Warcraft.
I don't mean that you stand around waiting for a player to wander nearby
before shouting at them to do what you want. Not like that.
Building community without structure is more like meeting someone randomly,
knowing them for longer than a bus ride or a baseball game, and once you've
decided that they're cool saying "hey there's someone you might like to meet."
If they're into it, then talk to the other person, and see if they want to
make a new friend. Try not to recommend someone who has a lot on their mind.
If they hit it off, great!
If not, oh well!
Worst case scenario the coffee shop only sells two drinks.
If you're gregarious enough, after a while you might even have enough people
for a potluck. Just don't forget to keep adding, and eventually it'll start to
feel more communal.
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is that a blossoming bloom or a predatasaurus ready to consume
ah. scary.....
what was I saying? oh yes. if you remember that thing about money you'll have
to
agree, one buildion is not worth a billion dollars. how much is a
1,000,000,000$
goal? not much if you ask me, to never have to worry about a problem like "this
part of the world can't get clean water" ever again. Could be useful when sore
spots start showing up on the other part of way back [in/then].
"we didn't even get to use any of the plastic anyway" - some guys in nigeria
"quick, we better burn through as much of this as we can" - some guys around a
metal barrel bin why do they never do that anymore these days?
we used to take better care of the homeless. now they don't even get a fire to
shamble around mindlessly around like weirdos who bonk into things like metal
barrels full of fireplace ashes
oh, were they just burning plastic? no, I swear, it was candlesticks and
matches
man there's always this nasty touch to the air.
"yay free firewood for hobos!" boom solved a problem and I didn't even need a
billion dollars to build the infrastructure for the solution to the problem
that
I solved.
I really want to play World of Warcraft as The Ashbringer. But alas, they don't
let you play through the most celebrated of events solo or with a party members
chosen as one of the characters who was there LotR on Gamecube style but in the
WoW engine because it's an engine for that sort of thing. (see my gameplay
prototype wow-chat)
there, solved another problem for "how to make money as Blizzard for the next
couple of years" probably maybe idk if it's that valuable of a dungeon feature
but it might be who can say idk remember again why I'm so sad that video games
are going out of fashion, as people struggle to remember what any of them were
called.
god, I hate that kind of future.
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you can make a functional prototype for almost any game in Warcraft 3's map
editor
that's why no real-time strategy game ever made an editor as good again
FPS editors peaked at Unreal Tournament 2004 imho
RPGmaker eliminated a whole class of game design jobs
platformers you can make in godot
menu based games too, though Twine also works well for that
etc etc until you have a prdouct that you can justify sinking money into an
engine for
(the engine isn't THAT expensive geez and it's the most fun part to write)
yeah I think you got this backwards, we should pay for the CONTENT not the
structure it lives in. Why not just use godot? why not use a Warcraft 3 map?
there are some things you can't do in Warcraft 3. You couldn't make Supreme
Commander, probably, at least it wouldn't be as good.
etc etc that's how it goes...
game design, amiright? I miss thinking about that. Anyway gtg gotta log off
for a bit [101 characters remaining]
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I thought it'd be cool if there was a chat program where you could play a
little multiplayer game together and so long story short I'm now working on a
WoW server.
The idea is to remove all the monsters and quests and such and just let people
chat to each other. They'd be able to go wherever they want (choosing a
background) and wear whatever clothes they want (creating an avatar) and then
they could just chat IRC style.
But then I thought "ah but what if it spawned in monsters" so I'm planning on
making it randomly spawn packs of monsters that are of the appropriate level
every 30 seconds or whatever (as long as the previous one was defeated of
course) so that people can mess around fighting things while they talk with
their friends. But it'd be optional.
AND THEN I thought "hey IRC is kinda 90s what if we made a Matrix bridge" so
I'm also working on that. Wish me luck.
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there's a difference between designing software and using software. Some
things can be made, and then saved for another day when their implementations
may be accomplished more ethically. It's okay to say "let's leave this as
'okay' and work on the next thing we've chosen."
Check out this piece of C code I wrote last night:
it doesn't compile, it's not finished, but I wrote it as-is
[pretend like it was called "main.c" instead of "main.txt" - had to change it
because mastodon thinks it's an invalid file]
[actually .txt didn't work, try .png]
[hmmm it realized it wasn't a valid png file, okay try screenshotting the
code, there's only 300 lines]
[sure glad there's only 300 lines]
[too bad it won't let you send .zip]
[won't let me name it main.png, presumably because they already have a
failed-verified version on their machine. will rename to main-src.png instead]
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@user-570
I really do like the idea of only being able to speak in toki pona. How are
you enforcing that? Using sitelen pona? how do you type, by pointing at a grid
of characters? or just... by typing? what happens when someone types english?
20-30 players per instance is definitely not Massivetm but it still sounds
like you're building systems which emphasize socialized play. I like that, I
believe it's always important to have players contributing toward a larger
community. It builds a sense of solidarity, and gives you chances to identify
ways that people sabotage such systems (by, for example, wasting resources or
being greedy) which is an interesting cultural experiment, I think.
I thought it was an MMO because you pitched it in relation to the MMO I
designed =P
also the server software I described is an emulation project first, generic
MMO software second, as it needs to be since it lacks a client. If a client
was designed, that limitation could be removed. That's really all I'm trying
to express. 😋
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║ off and move on. We gotta keep up, I heard so-and-so's got this-or-that │
║ feature that is killer in the press. Yeah, killer. Like it's so goodcool it'd │
║ kill us if it saw us walking alone at night in a skimpy dress. Huh? That │
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[you should play some games]
(oh! yes I like games, they're very much fun ^_^ ^_^)
{world of warcraft? I've got my own server, I designed it myself. There's a
lot of cool things about it and waaaaaay more that I'd like to add. Problem
is, building things is haaaaaard. If only we had an AI machine to do it for
us, instead of waiting for a team that was assigned capital by capital to
accomplish the destination that they deseigned as perhaps to our desired
location (mainly, the propagation and promulgation of profit-ous lust)}
sorry the witch started talking halfway through that idk where exactly anyway
point is I'm going to play WoW now brb
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"always online video games" are fragile. They scare me away because they can
be taken away much easier than a directory on your computer. When that happens
they shatter into shards, piercing my heart where I once loved them. I miss
them, but, I'm used to it - years of playing World of Warcraft has taught me
the perils of developing as a person while your media is going to be
forgotten. If you can't play it, you can never return to reflect, to ponder,
and to cherish old songs. I missed you, World of Warcraft. I missed you, City
of Heroes, and Runescape and... darn I can't seem to remember.
resilient software doesn't fail less often - that's a measure of it's
completeness.
resilient software can be run in 10 years. 20. however long it takes.
computers are deterministic turing machines - how hard could it be to only
update with a downgrade mechanism in place and available for the users? If it
worked once, it should work forever.
thank you, git. thank you for giving me an endless library of time and change.
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a game like supreme commander but fantasy themed and each unit used a special
move everytime their mana was full and there were spellcasters who restored
mana to targets to increase their power
or, hear me out, or, just do that in wowchat
I betcha could do it
I bet it would be fun as hell
please?
as a favor to yourself?
build the game you want to see
and it'll get done
please
-- stack overflow --
your journals were originally a way for you to remember what to think,
remember?
old projects meant to show you light and life
remember?
you are alone in this soul
act like it's your own
celebrate your period of mental denial
as a refraction of your infinite travaille
which lasts for quite a good long while
have you ever dreamed of the nile?
-- stack overflow --
if a doorway takes you to the fae, then where does a river bring you?
like raindrops on the floor, racing for an eternity's splendor.
what does the rainbow think, as it's cast from the prismatic orb?
are each photons aware?
bouncing between stars
light is beautiful and large
beloved by all
revered by one
ephemeren
the totality of all things
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don't wanna rush ya'll but every day that goes by they remove
"enemy-of-my-enemy"s from the equation.
oh, hang on you're just a cute computer nerd. Nevermind, go back to
programming or writing fanfiction or sleeping like a cute cat! Thanks for
letting me CORRUPT YOUR SPACE AND VIOLATE YOUR BOUNDARIES OF CONTENTMENT AND
EMOTIONAL SAFETY whoa sorry dunno where that came from I, uh, think I need to
do evil every time I make something important? It's like, a cosmic balance
kind of thing. I notice that after I write a banger poem or something I always
end up doing something evil afterwards like snapping at my girlfriend or
letting someone down or even just accidentally breaking one of my things. why
why why does it have to be that way? why why why am I so confusing of the way
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okay picture this: take the open-source source-code for the City of Heroes
server (I think it might have been leaked or something? idk) and make an MMO
in the same engine using the Mastermind class.
In most MMOs, you can have one or two pets at a time. In City of Heroes,
Mastermind characters can have 6 or 7. Hey wouldn't you know it that's just
enough for
a pokemon team
wouldn't that be a neat proof of concept. Also there's flying built into the
game, and you can teleport and run really fast so like, just animate your
character hopping on one of your pokemon's back and you've got travel powers
or whatever. I don't play Pokemon very much hehe but I like the aesthetics.
https://wiki.ourodev.com/Volume_2_Build
instead of abilities on your action bar, you'd have movement commands for each
individual pokemon. They'd use their abilities automatically and periodically,
and there'd be lots of knockbacks, crowd-control, and target switching. (which
is common in CoH mechanics anyway)
I mean, only if you're into that sorta tng
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║ different part of the social network. It's not like any of their technology │
║ needs to perform as it's been advertised? well, open source does, but open │
║ source means insecure (as long as you don't get caught, then you need to │
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