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@user-1464 @cyborganism @GammaGames
I did see that post but I was mostly responding to you.
There's a particular category of "leftist" who, to put it gently, have a
greatly simplified view of the world in which "the only war is class war."
I wanted to explain how the viewpoint of "the only war is the class war" is
more developed, rather than simplified. I wanted to express that it takes
nuance to understand that all oppression is connected and is derived from the
same source - the corruption of power.
They regard social issues such as anti-racism, feminism, queer liberation as
distractions from the "true" cause of bringing about a new economic system -
unimportant at best, active interference invented by the ruling class at worst.
It's not true that those who believe in the class war disregard these things.
That's just not right to me.
Basically, they're narrow-minded bigots.
I was included in your first statement and I'm not a bigot so I wanted to
stand up for myself.
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@user-1464 @cyborganism @GammaGames
they aren't distractions no more than the artillery crew are a "distraction"
to the infantry fight.
but there is no war but the class war.
they are facets of the class war.
you're both right. everything you mentioned is important, AND their core
thesis is true.
if they disregard anti-racism, feminism, queer liberation, etc as distractions
as you describe, then yes. they are narrow-minded bigots.
but in my experience, the only people who say those things are teenagers, so.
everyone has specialties. some can advocate for disability rights, queer and
women's liberation, race issues, or any other number of worthy causes. They
are fighting the class war even if they don't claim to be, for those are
classes of people they are fighting for. (or against, if they're reactionary)
the most dangerous class is the rich, the powerful, the insane. True
psychopaths accrete power and they wield it against all others. They must be
cast down for all.
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@user-576
I guess so. I tried to respond in kind to your original post. I'm not an
academic anymore so if that's what you're looking for then perhaps some time
spent on Wikipedia might be what you're looking for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
alternatively you could read some anarchist / anti-capitalist literature, like
Kropotkin or Marx. Though I admit they're a bit dated.
You could also check out this website, there's plenty of academic works here,
if you'd like to sharpen your understanding of what their "plan" is aside from
bartering for shit and trading beeswax for lamp oil.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index
though frankly throwing a book list at a person is not really very kind, so if
you'd prefer to talk to someone who's into leftism I'm open for discussion.
Though as I mentioned I probably won't be able to provide a better academic
perspective than what you'll find elsewhere.
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@user-1567
that's totally fine, a fish does not do well in a tree, and so too does a
leftist not do well in an environment without the potential for stable bonds.
Essentially all you'd be able to do is "hey leftism right?" "oh yes I also
leftism" "neat" which isn't very productive.
I also live in an environment like that. I do my best to identify people who
stay, because in my experience there are often people who stay. I do this by
walking around the neighborhood when I can, making up excuses to walk to the
dumpster or mailbox at random hours, riding my bike around the area, using the
communal spaces like gyms, swimming pools, and picnic tables, and sitting in
my hammock on my porch lazily noting people who walk past.
People who stay will tend to remain in your mind the more times you see them.
They are better people to talk to than the renters who disappear after 3
months or whatever.
I don't always do all that stuff at once. I take breaks. I do one at a time.
etc
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it's not always about minorities, though. sometimes they feel strongly about
hard work and self-sufficiency or individuality or whatever. I'm telling you
now: those values are shared by other ideologies as well.
it's okay to prefer to be around people who are similar to you. That is a
personal choice and it should be allowed. I mean, have you ever heard of a
convent? a bunch of girls hanging out making out all day and - wait, what's
that? it wasn't that fun? lotta clerical work and reading about god? alright
well you get the idea, sometimes it's nice to feel comfort in similarity.
it's okay to believe that people should work hard. It's not an imposition upon
them to demand more of your peers, especially if you are willing to help them.
Especially if they are willing and able. It's less alright to force them to.
Even less so to "encourage" them by taking all of their stuff. Though I will
say, being homeless isn't as bad as it used to be. Still hurts.
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I've never been a fan of the democrats. From a young age, I remember my father
talking about how spineless they were, and how cruel and shortsighted the
republicans were. I have since come to learn that democrats, as an economic
class, are also shortsighted, and their lack of foresight causes their
"triage" to have cruel effects. We could do so much better, and it's not
because everyone wants something different as they say. The reason is because
they are spineless. They don't want to rock the boat because they're afraid of
death. Remember, most of them are so thoroughly traumatized having lived in
the era of nuclear threat (which isn't over, I might add) and post-911
hysteria (which they contributed to, I might add) and it makes sense that they
act so conservatively. They feel such immense pressure to keep the ship
sailing but if your rigging is secure and you've got enough control over the
boat, you can pull down the sails and wait out the storm. T.T too bad j+j
I bet we were in love in the original timeline. The me from then was different
than the me from now, so I don't know if it could ever work out. Talk to me
after the war, maybe it'll toughen me up a bit.
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@user-928 @user-929 @user-930
I dunno, from my perspective it's less about whether or not they're
"unwitting" specifically and more like "lesser of two evils" - many of the
republican people I knew in the past who were my age were utterly and
absolutely convinced that if we didn't defend our homeland, somebody would
come and kill us for it.
It didn't really matter who that other was, they were convinced that someone
would do it. So they supported the military and opposed loosening restrictions
on immigration (instead preferring tighter restrictions, but more quantity. As
in, "let in more people but only if we KNOW they're cool")
I can't help but wonder if people join the military for the same reasons. Like
standing atop the wall that divides "us" from "them", they put their backs to
those they love and trust and face out toward whatever may come.
The military is a very diverse place. I know a lot of other people do it just
because it seems like a good, honest job.
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Conservatives don't have to be pro communism to be good people. They just have
to be anti fascist.
And unfortunately, capitalism has produced fascism. It will continue to do so
if left unabated.
Capitalism is not the middle ground between administrative authority and
anarchic despotism as they claim to see it, but rather a whirlpool that drains
through our adversity. A sinking tide strands all ships, as it were, and
together we will begin to falter.
Fascists are quite good at bending the will of whatever system they inhabit to
suit their needs. In fact it is almost a certainty that any sufficiently
organized institution shall fall prey to it, as if it were part of our nature.
Hence, my desire to abstract it out of our hands, and into the care of the
future. We can build a better world for you and for me and all of our
posterity, it's just a matter of interdependent communication protocols.
Nobody has to do what I say, nobody should be forced to be a certain way, and
just as your rights end where another's begin so too is our world in danger.
For you see, we have a right to litter. To despoil. To leave the earth in
turmoil. And though I am a bit bitter, it's slowly getting better, so through
our efforts we are investitured.
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royalty is not not royalty just because they're ineligible. democracy is
better for picking rulers! how many do you have in your mind?
[I thought you were an anarchist]
I am. the presence of rulers does not necessarily violate the implicit
sovereignce of consent, and it's necessary presence for rulership.
"no gods no kings no masters" means an end to coercive work.
coercion is unethical because it violates consent. This is implicit in the
definition of coercion.
violating consent for those who give you power is a lesson I learned very
young, when I made a mistake and harmed my brother's mother's sisters's son's
daughter.
"no gods no kings no masters"
means an end to unconsentual work.
why would you live in a village where everyone is the same as you? talk about
boring
I wish I could hear you when you talk about me.
"girl are you racing? in capitalism? why bother with a [endless/impossible]
game? you're better than judging people's worth objectively. [what do they
mean to you?]"
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I trust my government more than I trust a fascist.
but y'know, historically, my government has used their intelligent wings to
beat the wind out of our leftward sails. And that's hardly fair, because
y'know those left behind are those to who we need to be kind.
so consider me suspicious. consider me aggrieved. consider me willing to
forgive, completely and honestly.
it's not my gambit but like, I'll help work it out. I got other things I'm
workin' on, but this one's backburning and I can't help but think it'd be
useful.
pyrite
fools gold
use it for what it's worth
not for how it glitters and moans
wa, wawaWAwa
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@user-192
You've developed a crucial insight here. Fascists aren't the opposites of
communists, they're not trying to make the world better by altering or
updating their governance systems.
They are trying to kill people. To gather power. The mislead and betray. They
seek destruction and little else. They are evil.
Not everyone who votes for Trump is evil... They might simply have been lied
to, repeatedly, and never given a chance to think anything else. But their
movement will bring us fascism, so, they are enemies to those who value a
fair, just, kind, rational, and developing nation.
They are few. We can win, I know it to be true.
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society can be gamed in so many ways because it was designed to oppress you.
a more connected solution would solve so many problems, and introduce vastly
fewer more.
for example. wanna disenfranchise someone? take away their vote by framing
them for a crime. This is an example of population manipulation, and it's
unethical in the extreme.
downside is if you don't mother people they sort of forget how to breathe -.-
dumb apes, who thought it was a good idea to be born without instincts? ah
well let's raise them I guess, and try to keep the nazi cults on the
diminished minimum.
no-please-don't-walk-into-that-electric-pole it's made out of lightning juice
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how to spot a true leftist: when asked "what can I do?" instead of responding
"find an active organization" they said "what can I do with you?"
there are always leftists anew.
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The insightful but unaware liberal's perspective on war quickly changes from
"what are we even fighting about?" to "holy shit these people actually want to
kill us"
[the learned liberal who knows history and who follows along with politics
will say "we are fighting him" until they say "we are fighting American ISIS"]
The leftists fight for liberty. More and more of them join every day. The
blacks fight for freedom, *even still*. Everyone else has cause, and I'm sure
some just do it for the thrill.
Do they work together to build a world where everyone gets what they want?
Even their foed? Or do they splinter, and let intelligent sabotage guide their
fates? I know I'd rather trust my own will, and the will of those who believe
with me. I know I'd rather make space for everyone, rather than shove some out
into space.
It's cold up there! You can't even breathe!
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Sowing political division the way Fox news does is treasonous... It doesn't
matter the intention, those responsible should be forced to cease their
actions. I don't care about punishment, I care about damage to the fabric of
our society.
Take, for example, the fact that the military is struggling to find recruits.
So many of them typically come from the right half of the political spectrum
because the right tends to favor the ideals of "honorable warriors" and such.
But Fox News has corrupted that.
In addition, the left half of the media has also incited hatred amongst
ourselves. It's wrong to pit brother against brother, and yet...
We have a weak series of generations and that's okay in times of peace. But
times of peace are coveted abroad, and weakness is opportunity. So I don't
care if we have 10,000 tanks. Hell, build ten thousand more. I despise war,
but I despise weakness even more because weakness begets war. Typically, a war
that you'd be losing, though frankly in war, everyone loses.
There are grevious mistakes at play that gave room for evil to spread.
Corruption follows, and with it comes our greatest generation on its death
bed. A civil war would be the end of us, as nothing stops war in the imperial
core until there's nothing but ashes and bloodshed.
And yet, something has to change. There's too much pressure for this to go on
un-abated. I thank the masterful statesmen who ply their trade for their own
profit, for in their profit our peace does follow. Alas, the most profitable
venture is war, which often gets exported. How callous, how vain, to exert and
call forth fiery rain, and yet the bullets keep leaving the factory.
Power corrupts. Power accretes. And power can be deceived.
Fuck power, dismantle the whole apparatus. Build it back up from the
mechanics, and then implement it bit by bit. Leave no stone unturned, there is
no facet that is sacred. We need a new system, and its we who must make it.
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a significant proportion of the population is dumb as bricks, which is a fact
that our foes wield with cruelty in mind.
it's not their fault, they can change, but sometimes there's just no time. our
doors are always open, here sit next to me on this couch. I hope you don't
mind if I deprive you of power before I supply kindness, though.
requires a bit of trust. Or, to be backed into a corner and forced to do so. I
guess we should get good at cornering.
if you're a liberal reading this, remember that leftists know more than you.
That's okay. You are an expert too, but now is our forte, so please just
listen for a few.
and always keep in mind the lessons of the past. Before, our kindest, bravest,
and most learned were the most passionate who threw themselves toward the
cause.
then the soviet union happened, because everyone who was capable of building a
better world was slain first. (though the cold war didn't help)
before WW2 Russia was basically Somalia. After, it sacrificed itself to
contest USA
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I realized the type of programming I want to do is different from the kind
that
is used at a job or something. Basically I want to create solutions to
problems,
not memorize documentation and know where to know what you need to know. Like,
the more time spent looking at documentation the less time is spent
programming.
I think if we could use a ChatGPT style bot to write documentation, we could
massively increase the time spent working on solving problems and as little
time
as possible on reading through lists of functions or wondering how something
worked. Idk in the technology industry you've always been rewarded for being
able to pick up new skills quickly, and I think that's good to optimize for but
not the only requirement for being a good programmer. You also need to be able
to apply solutions and know when to use which tools. Basically, capitalism has
optimized us to be
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srry for the interruption, I ram out of memory. I had a plan in mind for where
I
was going for that, so I bet I could figure it out again if necessary. Meaning
a path forward from that point exists... I never want you to despair when I
forget what I was thinking, it's not because you've understood some cosmic
mistake or because you're abandoning timelines that led to your death, it's
because instead you just ran out of memory while thinking. The reason you would
believe any of those wild scenarios is because your memory has been erased.
Only
what was actively thinking, not short term, not long term, but *working term*
memory. As in, your cache. The stuff you're currently thinking about. That
stuff. Yeah that's what makes you think "oh hang on why am I forgetting? Well
clearly it's because of something grand, because the thought was so profound -
no it's just examining your emotions... Like, how strongly do you feel about
something? Buuuuuut it's also good to examine all possibilities. I mean what
if,
in some far off realm, there's a mirror image of yourself that behaves exactly
as you do? How would you perceive such a realm? Positively, I'd say. I mean why
not work together? Why not celebrate our differences and strive toward our
own shared future? Idk, I think diversity is our strength. We can rely on each
other because we are accurately aware of each other's strengths and virtues.
People should not be judged by the standard of others, no more than you should
judge a fish for it's ability to fly. Some may do, as flying fish will leap
from
the water - and salmon spend time airborne in river rapids. Hence, grizzly bear
fishing. I guess what I'm getting at is it's okay sometimes to oscillate, to
think one thing then think another. You shouldn't adhere to structural
standards
that are too strict - they should be liberating, as a ladder is a structure.
Not
villifying, as a prison is a structure. The laws of our society should be open
and free, not buried beneath years of legal expertise. Some things we can all
agree on, where we disagree we cannot have law. It's unjust to judge others by
the standards not of their whims, as laws should be things that uphold us. This
is clearer nowhere but in the, spirit and intention of the, documents that we
cherish in our hearts.
Like for example, the constitution.
the bible.
each of which delivered us from certain evils. Can you not see their
trajectory?
the historical precedent set in antiquity? Why not continue their dream, of
driving us away from the obscene, and toward our bright and vast future? I
speak
of course of true liberation, something our forefathers could only dream of.
We, humanity, have reached out and touched the stars. We are braver and bolder
because of our shared dedication - the desire to uplift and to excel. To learn
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why doesn't someone write a wrapper around assembly in like, lua or something
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omg you stupid bitch that's what a compiler is 4head
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if people who live in jungles and deserts can get along, then what's to stop
people who are liberal and conservative from doing the same? It's literally
pointless to argue. Like, you're not changing anyone's mind. So why not just...
let them be themselves? Like, why are you so intent on oppressing people?
@both sides there btw... Seriously why not agree to only make laws for things
that both sides agree on. Write it into the constitution that nothing can be
changed about the law unless both sides agree. Then we'd only implement things
that are good for both sides!
And if there's anything you want to build a legal structure around, you can
always try it out in your state. BUT and that comes with a very big BUT, the
federal government MUST have final say in the legality of anything you do. They
must ALL respect human rights, INCLUDING the human right to dignity. Things
like
trans bathroom bills DO NOT respect the dignity of trans people. IF they can
prove that trans people do not actually exist (because say they killed them all
or whatever) then GUESS WHAT everyone would agree on them. BUT if they do that
they are EVIL. LIterally evil. And I guess that makes trans people good? Kinda?
I think they can choose for themselves to be good or evil, just the same as any
other person. AND YET they are prosecuted, throughout time and history, and for
what? What purpose could there be in our demonization? Clearly, nothing but
pain
inflicted by a cruel host. After all, minorities are guests in the houses of
the un-oppressed, or is that not fair to say? Seriously, what gives? America,
the land of freedom, holds (somehow) the largest of prisons? America, the
land of plenty, yet how many millions of children are starving? America, the
leader of the free world, yet how plausible does it seem that an election was
stolen? Something's gone wrong, and it's just obvious what it is - of course,
the other side. *them*, the rapists and pedophiles and murderers and... you get
the picture. The demonized class. And when you tell people "hey that trans
person touched a kid" then yeah they're gonna see you as evil people. Duh...
Thanks, media. Thanks culture. Really doing me a solid here. Oof ouch owwie.
can I have some help please?
I'm really kinda drowning
I feel like I've swam upstream my whole life
and I'm really just sick of pretending?
I'm not okay, and it's your fault. Sure, fine, whatever, I'll take it I guess.
What else can I do?
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@user-226 also something to keep in mind is that the people getting into those
vans might have been paid agitators. Meaning people who rile up a crowd in
ways that give the police an excuse to crack down on them. Not that they
needed an excuse, but I don't think the fascists really had a plan and were
trying to cover their bases. Or maybe it was different in Portland than
Philly, where I was?
more interesting to me is the bangs that went off for HOURS AND HOURS in the
nights after the riots. They said it was dumbasses taking advantage of the
commotion to "break into ATMs using fireworks" like... what
Just saying, from a certain distance gunshots might sound a lot like large
arrays of small fireworks. And certain parts of the city did sorta look like
warzones.
misinformation aside, wouldn't we notice the bullet holes?
In this era of electronic social warfare there is nothing you can trust. no
words that can hold meaning. that stuff in this thread-is it true?
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