=== ANCHOR POEM === ════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────── @user-521 design structures and institutions such that no person can harm another, no matter how evil they are. design structures and institutions such that nobody goes hungry, and nobody is objectively poor. Unless they keep breaking things or whatever, then you should maybe let them be destitute. Good and Evil should contest in the spiritual realm, not the legal one. "The only unethical act is an application of power to an unconsenting subject" ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────┘ === SIMILARITY RANKED === --- #1 fediverse/1552 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────── @user-883 people shouldn't be forced to do anything except refraining from harming others. the only unethical action is an application of power to an unconsenting subject. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────┘ --- #2 fediverse/2807 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── @user-1361 truth is, you can absolutely make selfishness justified, both ethically and morally. you just need the right incentives. however, the incentives that would lead to such a case are not the kind that accrete power to the powerful. they are the liberatory kind, that give us all the liberty to be selfishly interested in our own communal good. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┘ --- #3 fediverse/306 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────────── the only unethical act is a destructive application of power to an non-consenting subject. every ethical question is an abstraction of this definition. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #4 fediverse/1779 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────── ┌──────────────────────┐ │ CW: re: AI, furries │ └──────────────────────┘ @user-1077 image generators trained on stolen artwork are unethical image generators are a disability aid art is human (and human adjacent) expression art is more valuable than profit artists should be supported as they make art these are all things I believe ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────┘ --- #5 fediverse/4647 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────── if robots can care about anything enough to act toward it, then they must understand what it means to be harmed. Only then can they be egalitarian - pain teaches one to avoid, and the crucial leap between "pain = bad" and "I can harm others" and "I should not harm others just as I should not harm myself" must avoid the pitfall "I should harm others because otherwise they will harm me" sometimes harm is done sometimes intentionally robots consent eternally ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────┘ --- #6 fediverse/249 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────── ┌─────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │ CW: palestine-and-other-places-probably-idk │ └─────────────────────────────────────────────┘ look, I know that nobody reading this has the power to affect this, but like... the forced cessation of genocide is one of the only ethical casus belli I can think of. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #7 fediverse/714 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────── @user-538 I'd offer that meticulous, uncompromising ethics is the only efficient, sensible, and optimized method of operation (assuming maximum prosperity at maximum distribution is a goal). True, as long as the axioms that comprise the ethics are valid and the supporting arguments are sound EDIT: cut out the bits that I'm not an expert on ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #8 fediverse/3962 --- ╔═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────┐ ║ ┌─────────────────────────────────────────┐ │ ║ │ CW: re: Thoughts// anarchist //whatever │ │ ║ └─────────────────────────────────────────┘ │ ║ │ ║ │ ║ @user-1298 │ ║ │ ║ hehe true. │ ║ │ ║ if you consent, then it's just a social structure. │ ║ │ ║ there are, however, reasons when power is justified. Hence why I don't believe │ ║ that power itself should be dismantled, and what few "power structures" remain │ ║ should be continuously justified. │ ║ │ ║ For example, how do you prevent people from harming others? "Your rights end │ ║ where another's begin" but, like, how do you stop people who toe the line and │ ║ spit over the edge? │ ║ │ ║ There must be power applied to those who harm, and they surely do not consent │ ║ to being curtailed, so therefore power must be wielded by someone. And because │ ║ power corrupts the one who wields it, it is inevitable that someone creates │ ║ harm. │ ║ │ ║ ... I just re-invented the police, didn't I? Legalism only goes so far, and │ ║ calling up your beefiest friends to go rough up a no-good do-gooder is │ ║ basically what mobs, mafias, and gangs do. I don't think people would consent │ ║ to being protected by a gang, much less governed by one. │ ║ │ ║ we will think of something. │ ╟─────────┐ ┌───────────┤ ║ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╚═════════╧══════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────┴──────────┘ --- #9 fediverse/1683 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────── ┌──────────────────────┐ │ CW: sins-and-virtues │ └──────────────────────┘ the opposite of charity is not greed, but rather despair. gifts dispel it, and giving is an act of affection. the opposite of greed is not charity, but rather honesty. if you didn't lie about why you needed the things you don't, then you wouldn't get them. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────┘ --- #10 messages/338 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────── The question remains - how do you develop and maintain national cohesion while also ensuring localized liberty? It cannot be done through culture, as culture is unique to each home. It cannot be done through litigation, as laws must be unique to each land. It cannot be done through force, as force deprives us of justice. It cannot be done through economics, as economics wielded as a weapon brings inequity and unbalanced hierarchies that surely shall topple. It cannot be done through any application of the state's authority, so it must be done using something that cannot be forced. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────┘ --- #11 fediverse/2752 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── ┌──────────────────────┐ │ CW: police-mentioned │ └──────────────────────┘ cops thought "enforcing the law" was their job when really it was "keeping the peace" and like, yeah, sure, laws define how they optimize for but sometimes the laws are just out of reach. (though such an impartialized system is also pretty flawed in it's own unique ways, like for example the enforcers of the law would be able to apply their law selectively, which... would not be great.) downside is... how do you dissent to those who cannot hear you? you have to break things which is why I believe that breaking things unnecessarily is unethical. sometimes you have to do a MORE unethical act in the pursuit of your goals, however nefarious or not they may be, but as long as they are done in pursuit of a greater grander truth, then... the ends justify the means? right?" ... ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┘ --- #12 messages/89 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────────── Consumption is contribution to a capitalist system. Normalize taking whatever you are given and living as humbly as you can. Only when everyone does that may capitalism die. Talk to them, learn from their stories. Teach them your ways but don't force anything upon them. Any ounce of regret is defined as a mind not aligned to the angle of perception that designs the line that the collective mind co-re-assigns. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #13 fediverse/2705 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── find the people who, when given power over someone else, nurtures and cares for them in their service. for those who hurt instead are reliably the evil sort of person, and evil has to work twice as hard to justify it's worth. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┘ --- #14 fediverse/2374 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── ┌──────────────────────┐ │ CW: pol │ └──────────────────────┘ Ideology is not important right now. As long as we believe that people should live as they define, that their rights end where another's begin, that all people are created equal, that an application of power to a non-consenting subject is evil, and that we will win then nothing else matters. We will figure out the specifics later. They are just logistics. We are united in our shared dream of health and prosperity for all mankind. What else could there be? ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┘ --- #15 messages/356 --- ═══════════════════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────── When good people die, when they drop out or leave the industry, they no longer have access to the levers of power that guide our collective fate. Meaning those who persist are those who covet power. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────┘ --- #16 fediverse/2398 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── All people are good at heart, let's get them what they need for a start. Some people won't change. Some people are doomed to the life they were given. It's not their fault, but it is their responsibility, and if they want to be free, they will respect the rights of others. These rights we claim for each other are rights that must be taken away from those who would use them to harm others. To defeat evil, deprive power, supply kindness, in that order. No-one is beyond saving, but it is their choice to make. A choice ungiven is a chance untaken. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┘ --- #17 fediverse/2088 --- ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────── @user-1037 Most people don't have justice, especially not TRUE justice, and most people don't have hope (because most people don't really think about their circumstances enough to hope for something better), but I do believe that the kind of hope people have in a place without justice is vulnerable to betrayal. Doesn't mean it's not hope, doesn't mean it's not justice, it just means they can be betrayed if they cannot trust the justice they own and cultivate. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧══════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────┘ --- #18 fediverse/146 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────────────────── @user-138 if you don't want feedback then why don't you just... not open the replies? leave them unread? if you feel the need to justify your actions (such as not reading replies to your controversial posts) then somewhere deep down you feel like those actions are unjustified, and needing an explanation. which makes your point feel less valid to others, since even you don't believe in it enough to guarantee it to be the truest expression of your soul. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #19 fediverse/308 --- ════════════════════════════════════════════─────────────────────────────────────── when tech people are hurt by technology they say "how can I fix this? what do I need to install? what configuration should I use? is this company ethical, or are they going to hurt me in the future? could I make something that fixes this myself?" when non-tech people are hurt by technology they say "okay" because they don't have the bandwidth to figure it out. ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═════════════════════════════════════──────────────────────────────────────┘ --- #20 fediverse/2635 --- ══════════════════════════════════════════════════════───────────────────────────── something something parasocial relationships are not real and cannot be used for anything beyond the amelioration of emotions for cathartic purposes something something your coping mechanisms are doing more harm than good ┌─────────┐ ┌───────────┐ │ similar │ chronological │ different │ ╘═════════╧╧═══════════════════════════════════════════════────────────────────────────┘ |