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@user-883
what if we took all the "good cops" and made them into a militia that
protected us from the far right
oh, we did, and that was basically the revolutionary war. If you consider
monarchy to be "far right" which I kinda do?
that was hundreds of years ago, though. Plenty of time for it since to twist
into the police-industrial-complex or whatever.
don't get me started on the rampant security theatre... people will do
anything to feel safe, even sacrifice a bit of freedom for it. something tells
me perhaps they deserve neither.
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my understanding of the police force in america is that it's like, 15% racist
misogynistic assholes who pull people over for stupid reasons and try to start
shit, and 75% people who just want to do a good job and support their
community.
problem is, if their community is racist assholes then they tend to align as
such.
the remaining 10% are idealists who have the power to sway their comrades in a
way that the 15% racist assholes don't. I speak to them.
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"second american revolution" yeah fucking right
it's liberals versus fascists, and once the liberals win the leftists will be
marginalized again because that's how it goes.
though who knows, maybe periods of intense tumult are the perfect times for
restructuring society. After all, the traitors HAVE been slowly twisting
things to their benefit every chance they get.
And hey, these leftists really seem to know what's going on - I mean, have you
heard that guy's rant about the minimum wage? or hey check out this video
essay that goes into the politics of gender and how they relate to the
justification of hierarchy, so neat
glad we can hear these voices while we shiver in our homes waiting for the
brave ones to save our lives. Cowering sure is neat, it inoculates you to
trauma and then every news story feels like just another pile of shit to eat.
Though, frankly, we're pretty inoculated already. Too bad cowardice has been
our song ever since the Red Scare and Civil Rights movements.
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@user-226 also something to keep in mind is that the people getting into those
vans might have been paid agitators. Meaning people who rile up a crowd in
ways that give the police an excuse to crack down on them. Not that they
needed an excuse, but I don't think the fascists really had a plan and were
trying to cover their bases. Or maybe it was different in Portland than
Philly, where I was?
more interesting to me is the bangs that went off for HOURS AND HOURS in the
nights after the riots. They said it was dumbasses taking advantage of the
commotion to "break into ATMs using fireworks" like... what
Just saying, from a certain distance gunshots might sound a lot like large
arrays of small fireworks. And certain parts of the city did sorta look like
warzones.
misinformation aside, wouldn't we notice the bullet holes?
In this era of electronic social warfare there is nothing you can trust. no
words that can hold meaning. that stuff in this thread-is it true?
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"no, you're the opposite of a yes-man, AKA a gatekeeper. I don't know how else
to explain mentally disabled and barely keeping it together to you, but
frankly if you want to take away my house or my weed then why would I do what
you say?
... oh right, the state's monopoly on violence [can compel me to do what you
say]. Sure seems like a "well regulated militia" is supposed to be a
counterweight to that monopoly, to prevent people from harassing and
exploiting and destroying. Too bad any "militias" I can think of tend to want
me dead.
like, seriously, if you live in America, you implicitely trust that your army
will be able to protect you from the right-wing bozos who spend all their time
drinking and shooting in the woods. Otherwise, if they couldn't / wouldn't,
then why wouldn't or couldn't the right wing bozos just decide to wreck
everything in spite of our past?
We were a proud people once before, and we may be again. If only we fight at
the last.
[ever since I fell off my bike my body feels strange]
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what if everyone at a protest is showing up for their first time
like, c'mon don't be that dull, just make plans with the people standing next
to you.
gosh why is everyone shouting I can't plan out how to divert water down a
hillside because some jerks are singing protest chants
... wait is no-one else talking? gosh I gee sure wish someone told them to not
do what you're told and to instead do what will get you [gold/told]
the first communist internationals were basically people sitting down and
going "okay what kind of communism should we make and where" and I think about
that a lot while making signs to let the surveillance know what matters
personally to me and exactly how much pressure they can apply before your
demographic swings to contest their brutal fascist facts.
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who is them and why are they watching theea provisionist's [screed/creed]
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what the heck is a tryptaminea boomer aunt and uncle out on their honey/versary
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@user-1464 @cyborganism @GammaGames
they aren't distractions no more than the artillery crew are a "distraction"
to the infantry fight.
but there is no war but the class war.
they are facets of the class war.
you're both right. everything you mentioned is important, AND their core
thesis is true.
if they disregard anti-racism, feminism, queer liberation, etc as distractions
as you describe, then yes. they are narrow-minded bigots.
but in my experience, the only people who say those things are teenagers, so.
everyone has specialties. some can advocate for disability rights, queer and
women's liberation, race issues, or any other number of worthy causes. They
are fighting the class war even if they don't claim to be, for those are
classes of people they are fighting for. (or against, if they're reactionary)
the most dangerous class is the rich, the powerful, the insane. True
psychopaths accrete power and they wield it against all others. They must be
cast down for all.
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║ militia that's what I'd say. │
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hello everyone, I would like to take a moment to address a weapon used by the
far right called "Agent Sabateurs" - or "provocateurs" or "civilian disruption
forces" - however you want to call it.
Basically, they hire a bunch of people to pretend to be us and then they make
disruptions in public so that people start to hate us.
I'll go into more detail in this thread.
First, they identify a homeless person and eliminate them. Then, they put
someone who looks pretty similar in the same spot and they start making noise,
tearing up flowers, being really pushy about asking for money and shit, yell
at passerby, that kind of thing.
They do this for homeless people, trans people, black people, anarchists,
punks, leftists, basically everyone they don't want.
They do this to defame our champions. Our most vulnerable. Our strongest of
heart and their greatest threats. They do this to turn the liberal majority
against us.
the conservative minority fell for it quite easily.
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Prisons are great because in the ancient and storied past we'd just fucking
kill people.
Now, we harbor collections of people roughly organized by volatility that are
aligned against the current regime. And should that regime deign to become
unethical, god forbid of course, but should the purpose of the 2nd amendment
(or is it the fifth? Or the seventh? I get them confused) become relevant,
then perhaps it might be useful to have collections of people roughly
organized by volatility who might be individually evaluated to determine if
their particular type of volatility is anti-thetical to humanity, or to the
current regime. Because one of those types of people is perhaps useful to the
future regime, and humanity, while the other should probably stay where they
are.
They say there are good cops and bad cops, and if there are good people and
bad people, then there must necessarily be good judges and bad juries. In
which case some of the people who are explicitly not aligned to the will of
the current regime will be good prisoners or bad prisoners.
I bet some of them are better or worse shots, as well. But that's not really
relevant if the current regime holds the keys to their cell. Or is it?
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@user-1013
They may return to us if they choose, when they realize that we were right all
along.
Otherwise, they might feel disenfranchised and choose to disengage. That is
expected and allowed.
Others amongst them might go right. Fuck 'em, they always cared for gold over
lives.
You are right, their methods have not worked. They have sustained our society
up to this point and for that I thank them - but we are entering a new age for
our country, and we shall build it as a federation.
They are more than welcome to observe and offer insight from their years spent
observing and wrestling with Republicans, but understand that much of their
insight is dealing with their elite class of politicians and not with who you
and I might come across on the street.
They are encouraged to learn from us. To do otherwise is at best to neglect
our only route to a bright future - at worst it is to obstruct us, to delay
us, to keep us running in circles.
Find the people who are sabotaging our efforts and move on
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claude-code is like programming, but for executives.
when everyone has FUCK I'M TOO HUNGRY I can't think right
when everyone has the power of an executive, that's communism.
something something futurism is when everyone is elevated without diminishing
others
gah I need to live in a palace or something where everyone does the normal
stuff and I can focus on magic and the gods
I wondeer how much the oracles at delphi did for themselves? weren't they
blinded at a young age, to better hear the voices of the gods? ... oh that
suddenly makes sense now. I always thought that pretender chassis in Dominions
5 was pretty cruel, but, now I know *how* it works and yeah. ancient peoples
were smart. but also sharp. they had to work with what they got, and we got
computers now, so.
I am nothing but hopeful for the future! I'm convinced that everything's going
to be alright. I've thought about it at length, and I think we're winning
against the dark. We're on the right track, and there aren't many things that
could go wrong at this stage.
... okay there are always things that could go wrong. But I don't see what I
could do to help. Maybe I should go walk around a bit, and see what's changed
in the past few months, as I've been sleeping in my room for most of it.
Haven't gone on a proper walk since summer. It's winter now...
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Conservatives don't have to be pro communism to be good people. They just have
to be anti fascist.
And unfortunately, capitalism has produced fascism. It will continue to do so
if left unabated.
Capitalism is not the middle ground between administrative authority and
anarchic despotism as they claim to see it, but rather a whirlpool that drains
through our adversity. A sinking tide strands all ships, as it were, and
together we will begin to falter.
Fascists are quite good at bending the will of whatever system they inhabit to
suit their needs. In fact it is almost a certainty that any sufficiently
organized institution shall fall prey to it, as if it were part of our nature.
Hence, my desire to abstract it out of our hands, and into the care of the
future. We can build a better world for you and for me and all of our
posterity, it's just a matter of interdependent communication protocols.
Nobody has to do what I say, nobody should be forced to be a certain way, and
just as your rights end where another's begin so too is our world in danger.
For you see, we have a right to litter. To despoil. To leave the earth in
turmoil. And though I am a bit bitter, it's slowly getting better, so through
our efforts we are investitured.
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║ group of people do what, and if something is owned by one side then the other │
║ can't touch it. Ah, but what if it's in the way? Well, then move it duh" │
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║ nice if we met people we didn't know there. if we knew everyone else. if we │
║ spent most of it sharing our discussions, and talking about what we're most │
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Hmmmm, well, what if we psyopped the people into believing there were alien
invaders or extra-dimensional fae creatures or angels and demons or
"yeah we already tried that, religion doesn't scale perfectly either. And you
can't really manifest those sort of effects except in your prophets and select
few others, and that doesn't scale either because humanity wouldn't let it"
I see, can you tell me more about that? why and how did humanity arrest the
scaling of schizophrenia?
"well, for one thing it's debilitating and it sucks. For another, it's
different for every person so if you ask one they'll be like "the aliens have
blue skin" and the other will say "no they don't have skin at all they're made
out of energy" and the public says "HMMMM are you really sure you are
generating outmoded assumptions" and the dear reader said "*yeah we don't
really understand this part, most of us just glaze eyes over it and move on"
and that's not ideal"
... nuts, lost coherence, better try again tomorrow...
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║ if your goal is to get people to resent homeless people or gay people or black │
║ people or... insert minority here, then what kind of world do you really think │
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║ so they move away and leave the city to ourselves" │
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║ live in AMERICA. But yeah sure I see what you're saying, you want the │
║ gentrification to stop. And you do that by metaphorically "firing a gun into │
║ the area in suburbia once every 2 or 3 days at random hours" which, like... │
║ yeah that'll reduce property value, but also now my water bottle is all dented │
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║ lost my favorite necklace and I'm pissed because you told me you were going to │
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the longer we wait, the more their hypocrisy becomes apparent, and the more
"the people" get it
but, uh... I think enough people get it. They at least know something is going
on, whatever it may be.
they will tell their base whatever they want to hear and their base will have
hate. they're itching for it.
volunteer for things if you want a say in how they turn out. risk your life to
live longer. there is no way to know when the time is right because nobody
knows the truth of our times. Even the president is misled.
gee I sure wish there was like, some form of centralizing intelliagentic
knowledge that pulled the strings and led us puppets toward liberty, justice,
and freedom for all (as a baseline) surely they'd be able to see the
corruption and rot that imperils us all, might they have a better design? who
can say, they are quiet as the grave, here's hoping they stay that way.
"you know the powers of which you speak are not to be trifled with"
you can't trifle with your own life. be thorough~
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║ of their own, right?" why don't you ask them "well, they didn't want to move, │
║ and something something manifest destiny, voila now they get all the │
║ non-sacred sites while we get the magic gem generation spots" girl now you're │
║ just talking about video games "haha yeah I wanted to change the subject so we │
║ didn't talk about how I'm culturally appropriating fireworks or whatever they │
║ likme to do in their churches and suburbs or whatever" │
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║ IU demand a lot of them] meanwhile the witch is a doom profit so watch out │
║ haha I'm so broke "what if we were all friends" okay that's one idea "what if │
║ we all got to know each other" okay that's closer "what if we didn't hide from │
║ our variety and instead celebrated it" getting warmer "did you know there's no │
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║ or "don't post shit like that on the internet dumbass what are you even doing" │
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║ or "oh I dunno trying to be a face I guess, don't look to me for cutting edge │
║ advice because I'm just a level 12 paladin who's totally a noob and can barely │
║ lift 50 pounds" │
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║ or "yeah well you're the cutting edge on some things and you're very far │
║ behind on others. like for example you seriously need to level up your opsec │
║ so that nobody can hear what you're saying." │
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║ or "yeah but then nobody will hear what I'm saying" │
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I don't go to protests because they're more like yelling hatred until you get
slaughtered, instead of what I want to meet cute trans girls at which is
signing up for a militia and hunting [redacted -> their sons and daughters]
nobody knows each other on the internet. of course they're gonna vote for
individual personal freedoms. What do you mean they voted for a pedophile
acrobat? they don't even know each other! [the only reason you said acrobat is
because it rhymed] ohhhh no it's supposed to be "autocrat" but they misheard
ah right I see I see.
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@user-1487
because we already did it to the far-left during BLM, when we called them
"rioters" and "looters" (note, overton window shift, it's "protesters" and
"rioters" not "rioters" and "looters", but what did the media cover?)
now it's the far right's time, to be purged by ritual examination.
hence why they detain everyone at a crime-scene, so they can sort out the
facts.
sure hope they're not corrupt. We just gotta... trust them, I guess, because
they've always been on our side.
... well that's enough internet for me
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║ This is taken from the Wikipedia article on neo-nazism. This 9% figure, │
║ totaling 22 million people, has only gone up in the 8 years since that poll │
║ was taken. I'm sure the wikipedia editors have gone back and forth about the │
║ most important or shocking detail to add to this important article, and so I │
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║ I am a communist. I fuckin' hate nazis. I would slay a nazi before anyone else. │
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║ I don't hate the person, I hate the religion. I am quick to forgive, too quick │
║ if you ask any of my allies. I am that way on purpose, by design. │
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║ The question I have been asking myself lately is: "would you abandon communism │
║ if it meant defeating this foe?" and yeah, if it was that simple, I'd let │
║ posterity handle utopian societal organization. │
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║ The dillemna I struggle with is this: would I be alright with a democracy that │
║ had liberals on one side and communists on the other? │
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║ yeah. │
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