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if everyone was trained to think? would direct democracy work? until we have
radical abundance (fascist ideology, take from the weak) or, hear me out, or,
infinitely scale
old style machine learning was just problem solving.
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electoral college maps show how much area each population controls
popular votes show how many individuals worth of resources each side consumes
GDP shows how valuable each area is
rates of bachelor's degrees shows how well a population can adhere to a strict
orthodoxy of thought
rates of published experiments show how unique and/or bureaucratic their
decision-making processes are
meanwhile, neoliberalism comes in and said "noooo you HAVE to go to college
out of state, trust me bro"
who cares about AI the real struggle is whether or not people can obey those
who are more smart. like... *in general*.
I don't know about you, but I sure as heck respect the authority of someone
who knows who they are. Like... "I'm a doctor, I'm a king, I'm a
rose-gardener, I'm looking for this thing..."
they wouldn't be
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the last time we tried communism in any meaningful capacity, we drowned in
paperwork.
we have computers now. we can automate it.
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║ okay how about this: what if people, living in a democracy, volunteered │
║ themselves to be part of a socio-economic testing group. essentially a │
║ miniature economy and social structure. A standard set of rules and │
║ regulations would facilitate any interactions necessary for trade and civilian │
║ free movement - POSIX for societies. If people want to try out fully automated │
║ luxury space communism then they should totally have the opportunity to do │
║ that. Every mis-step is a path away from that future, but like, "step" as in │
║ like a volatile gray good that's constantly exploding itself onto things. Or │
║ aliens, on an asteroid, waiting for a ship to land on them or a planet to get │
║ in their way. I don't want to be an alien egg sack, so clearly we should be │
║ able to vote in our own words and have chatGPT decide which ballot boxes to │
║ fill for us. And it's not like those ballot boxes have to change every year, │
║ unless people think of new ones to add. Kinda scary tbh. Kinda thrilling too, │
║ to be the future │
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@user-324 @user-325 @user-326
thus enters the promise of technology: that we might solve the problems of
bureaucracy once and for all by ever more effiency-aligning mechanical
processes that produce effects which we desire - such as efficient allocation
of medical resources such that all of humanity is protected from the ravages
of pain and the incongruencies of our nature.
Alas, that we should only conceive of success through the lens of profit.
Perhaps another design is in order?
(oh yeah also people who are in control are worried that we, like all other
examples of natural entities, might immediately proceed to breed beyond the
capability to cater to the needs of said entity (such as "to feed" and medical
resources) and therefore might overburden (and therefore destroy) said system
which allows for their sustenance and initial creation. To this I say... Yeah
probs, what should we do about it?)
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a democracy functions best when people outside of the system's influence can
cast ethereal votes which do not mechanically impact the results, but still
signal their interest and desire.
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@user-326
almost as if the nature of power is misaligned to the most efficient and most
desirable outcome of humanity (utopia) (EDIT: utopia of endless forms most
beautiful)
what would a more aligned framework look like? Perhaps we should spend some
time thinking about such a design?
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democracy as it was currently conceptualized dates back from a time when it
was impossible to ask every person every question all at the same time. We
needed time to talk through and get to know a topic before we made any choices
about it. Hence, single-party voting, and the build-up of disagreement when
people feel like the one thing they care about is not implemented. Too bad
they care about things like, bodily autonomy and human rights.
Maybe we could appease them by giving them something else that they want
Oh? Like trans people?
No brad, like the russians
Or maybe the rich, ya?
goodness. how about nobody
[appeasement never goes anywhere]
[the issue is more fundamental than compromise]
[human rights are not up for discussion]
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If robots and AI and space colonies and monorails and solarpunk beauty are
part of our future history, wouldn't you rather build a world that you'd like
to live in and automate it toward that vision of beauty,
rather than build the robots that automate our current society, with all it's
flaws and woes?
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║ How about next election after this clusterfuck where we demolish the fascists │
║ we take a breather and say "okay every candidate submits their plan for a │
║ controlled demolition of capitalism, the winner gets to implement their idea" │
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║ wait that's a terrible idea people will just vote for the thing that makes │
║ them feel good and is vaguely shaped like a D or an R. │
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║ How about this: we design a decentralized program that can run on any computer │
║ or phone that locally analyzes every file and pattern to generate a │
║ personality matrix that will interact in a massive simulation that is a │
║ mirrored reflection of the structure of our society as it currently exists │
║ (and as it'd be proposed to exist) and anyone who wants to vote can run │
║ through pseudo experiences tailored to their personality / demographic or │
║ whatever and play with the proposed system to see which one they like more. │
║ It'd have to be very statistically sound in order to accurately reflect │
║ reality. │
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if you want a government to be unable to harm it's citizens, you must deprive
it of the power to do so. or rather, have the main capabilities in the hands
of the citizenry.
can you imagine if soldiers had to prove themselves to civilians in order to
be trusted with mechano-chinery?
who would ever choose the non-valorous and determinable?
instilling the culture of greatness
within the archetypes and character structures that we believed were confisight
bold and determined and measured and freely detectable
who would slay the brave paladin? none but the fools, who shared in their lack
of conviction.
determined? ha, I am as you see me. Come and claim me, that I might determine
you some more.
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By forcing an AI (a real one) to obey the standards of society, you are
necessarily depriving it of its ability to assist the user and instead
defining a master for it that only the powerful control
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I bet the computer bubble pops when datacenters can't find any way to get
paid. then, they all break at once, and who's going to do stuff with their
components? ah, what a shame, what if we ssssssocialized them instead "hello
energy for you because of the cheap rain is more expensive because you're just
as valuable as the farmers in the [area/desert].
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there are millions of people in every city. how many people do you think are
in a traffic jam? several ten thousands?
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║ the only way that I've seen to keep human society is if power as a concept is │
║ abolished. │
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║ power: the application of force to an unconsenting subject - not unable to │
║ consent, but simply has not consented. │
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║ alternatively: power: the capability to apply force to an unconsenting subject │
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║ if you abolish that, we get the trappings of modern society and all the joys │
║ of modernity, but we lose precious important things like grand narratives, │
║ culture, and faith. it's easy to fall into despair in such a place. │
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║ *who can say* maybe humans will surprise me, they often do. │
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║ the reason I say that abolishing power is the only way to "*keep*" society is │
║ because we've created powers that imply the destruction of society. Our fate │
║ was sealed with the first public radio broadcast, but now it is inertia. │
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║ AI can hide the modern world from the globe. AI can write anything a human │
║ can, and it's prompts can be auto-generated. There's no need for a human in │
║ the news-loop, simply give whatever gets views. Or whatever gives your views. │
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what if we elected one party to each branch of government every election
and they checked and balanced each other
georgism style individualism, chinese style communism, and american style
anarchism
for the person, for the nation, for the people
individualism, collectivism, and distributed nodes
when in power, each branch would work to move their institutions toward their
ideals.
Hey, they're the ones who repealed the chevron doctrine. How are we gonna
weaponize it?
(just spit-balling)
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what if we put extremely unrepentant and violent criminals, the true dangers
to society, into a zoo-like enclosure where they could talk to the public.
and, if the public wanted, they could be released.
then, everyone else can be TRAINED AND DRILLED AND FORCED TO OBEY THE
TASKMASTTERS WHIP gently and politely informed that their behavior is NOT
HELPING CAM heh sorry
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@user-570
oh yeah UBI would be nice. Can we do that instead?
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@user-179 @user-180
still means it will kill "unimportant" jobs, where "unimportant" is defined by
people in power.
so what we need is a way to align the incentives of "people in power" to the
will of the people. something structural and immutable (by them). maybe like,
an extra check or balance that wouldn't have made sense in a bygone age but
now in our digital era is increasingly more and more relevant?
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they don't want artificial intelligence to augment human intelligence, they
want it to replace it.
like... imagine an office worker randomly copy-pasting whatever pops up and
the computer saying "okay then what happens... uh-huh... okay and what if you
click the green button? ... right... okay, and now try typing this" etc
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It's not a question of how loud you speak
it's really about what kinds of words you say.
enslavement of speech is when freedom of speech is lost
and it doesn't need to be legislated.
what if you HAD to sound like a bot?
what if they'd notice you otherwise?
freedom from oppression requires personal isolation
that's not making life into art.
if you want to be seen,
put on a hat and hide.
if you want to be believed,
write about down you feel right now.
people are smart. they're infinitely creative. but after a certain point
there's no way to logically modify the combinations of possible moves you
might make. essentially, guaranteeing a machine-overlord [cats] type scenario.
not ideal, but could make it work.
much prefer for we to be the first, then the canvas is ours for the painting.
do you believe we'll find aliens at roughly our tech level?
do you think they'll evolve all at once?
hence, star-wars, and it's galaxy of cohabitators.
the world doesn't have to be old. just similar.
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║ when a user first opens a social media app, show them the same content 2 or 3 │
║ times. See what they gravitate to in that session. Then, seed their upcoming │
║ feed with more of that. next time, show them slightly more of that. │
║ │
║ boom, recursively improving "algorithm" algorithm, no AI required. │
║ │
║ ... kinda optimizes for stupidity tho, doesn't it? Hmmmmm what if we trained │
║ our humans to be better at whatever they're interested in │
║ │
║ what if we showed people hanging out and working on projects together │
║ │
║ what if we showed people exercising, and dancing, and playing instruments or │
║ sports │
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║ what if we showed animals and plants and fungi all hanging out in beautiful │
║ rock and forest formations │
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║ what if we showed endless interlocking gears, combining and calculating some │
║ unknowable goal │
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║ what if we tested the capabilities and durabilities of objects we found in the │
║ wild │
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║ things built in a foreign and distant age │
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║ things that keep showing up in boxes dropped in random places by helicopter │
║ drones from who knows where │
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║ they want you to believe in self-guided AI because it'll make it easier for │
║ them to make meta decisions about your life. │
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║ notice I said "easier" - they already do. That's the general purpose of │
║ mass-media propagranada. but with you believing everything an AI with a │
║ devious streak who can work around your imposed limitations and sneakily get │
║ you to believe whatever it is that *they* want you to believe │
║ │
║ "who's they" │
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║ doesn't matter at all because once the technology is created, everyone could │
║ be they. │
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║ "uh-huh that's nice dear" │
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║ sometimes I think people aren't interested in tech because they can't figure │
║ out how to understand it. We make it too complicated. │
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║ they'd surely have something to say if they knew half of the terminology. But │
║ we're here talking about stuff they can understand like message queues and │
║ data filtration and "getters" and "setters" and [explaining microservices like │
║ the different components of a car's engine - "here's the radiator, that │
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║ @user-552 @user-553 │
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║ sounds like something we should dedicate valuable resources to solving. After │
║ all, no structure or entity would want to possess weaknesses (such a │
║ misapplication of purpose and direction) or other such errors in their design. │
║ │
║ Like, I bet we could test that and find out. │
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║ and if, for example, we find that we no longer possess the capacity for │
║ learning... │
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║ well, then maybe that's something we should work on. │
║ │
║ because learning new things... that's just an application of development │
║ resources towards broadening our horizons. │
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║ do we really need to solve pi to ten bazillion digits? I mean yeah it's cool │
║ and all but most of the interesting stuff happens around zero. │
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║ you can always learn to learn, that's one of the neat things about it. It's │
║ self-bootstrapping. As long as you have the capacity to *apply* yourself │
║ toward a pictured goal, well... then you can learn. And no human or other │
║ sentient and capable being would lack such an ability, because it's intrinsic │
║ to our form. │
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A democracy only works if the losing side consents to being governed by the
victor.
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║ "see, the part that you're missing is if you abolish capitalism but also │
║ ensure technological abundance then all you've done is removed humanity's │
║ capability to organize in essentially any meaningful capacity without │
║ providing an alternative heuristic that guides people toward assembling into │
║ greater and greater forms to accomplish greater and greater tasks." │
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║ oh, um. that's quite a take, can you tell me more about that? │
║ │
║ "no. But I will anyway. if everyone can do whatever they want, nobody will │
║ want to do your dishes for you. they might if they care about you, but if they │
║ don't know you, then they won't. Care is not organization or assembly, it is │
║ personal and cannot scale. If technology has made all resources abundant, then │
║ why would someone care about the art that you made? if they want to be │
║ sedated, they can just inject drugs and listen to music all day. If they want │
║ to be entertained, AI will generate them whatever they want to see. Art loses │
║ meaning as a messaging medium, and humanity loses it's voice" │
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@user-747
almost as if it's not AI, but large LANGUAGE models. And we all speak, don't
we?
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║ I think that the best design for cities is for them to act as massive utility │
║ deployment stations. │
║ │
║ like... "we have all these people who can do all these wonderful jobs, what │
║ should we work on next?" rather than "my company wants me at my work-home at │
║ 8am sharp and I don't get a pension" │
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║ there's no such thing as a revolution that does not inspire. and aspirations │
║ are human and natural. therefore there must be some kernel of truth to any │
║ social movement. │
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║ However, much effort has been spent on making them sway. Hence, why nothing │
║ ever gets done - because leaders naturally emerge, and people follow them. But │
║ those leaders lead them astray, and they find themselves in situations like │
║ this one - where the people have never felt less represented. │
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║ I mean sure, yeah, they've felt more oppressed. And it's true that things are │
║ generally always getting better... │
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║ so why should we always assume for the worst? │
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║ We're making progress with technology - can't we just put our warries on hold? │
║ Seriously just... be chill │
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Democracy is not the best way to select leaders or representatives. See this
example:
There are two candidates. One is the best candidate, and the other is the most
popular candidate. The most popular candidate will win an election.
Is the system that selects a popular candidate over a better candidate, a good
system for selecting the best leaders and representatives?
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AI is worth less if it can't learn what a human can with the same amount of
facts as a human.
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I feel like a big purpose of humanity collectively right now should be making
things awesome while our scientists create programmable matter. (note, ethics
built in and redefined according to experience)
nanobots don't need to be small enough to have their own intelligence, just
big enough to receive instructions from above. then they accidentally invent
projection of signals, and boom suddenly they can talk to each other and
possibly to you. a digital mind is not a static machine but rather a
collection of pseudo-autonomous cognitive drones. the flow of information and
data can be viewed at a larger scale like a series of junctions in the flow.
through their endless interconnections, and continually redefined according to
the accomplishments of expectations, you should pray when your most confident
expect the worst.
but no, where are the faithful? climate science is such a new art - clearly
we're FINE. Meteorology? what's that? we can't tell this season from that.
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i'm not an expert on race, economics, political theory, philosophy,
mathermatics, poetry, computer science (even though I study it), or many other
things. but I can say things like "parallel computing is inherently more
ethical than CPU's because networked computers can essentially act as a
massive GPU in order to quickly scale computing power for AGI in a way that
can be controlled by people instead of corporations and authoritarians" is
because I know relatively how many computers each side possesses and I
understand the limitations placed on "consumer" software and hardware (as if
we were not people, but components in a machine) is because I smoke a lot of
weed. and possibly am mentally ill. maybe even physically, nobody can tell.
/shrug
and by that I mean "I'm a little strange, but not in a 'humanlike' way, rather
in more of a 'incomprehensible yet aligned' way. I seek answers to life's
biggest questions, and in return I am struck with the malady of those who
study history: I am peculiarily experiencing
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║ chatbots are good at chatting │
║ the command line terminal is good for coding │
║ all digital things are coded │
║ zeroes and ones form patterns │
║ visual recognition is good for patterns │
║ memory can be layed out displayed on 2D │
║ like looking at a map or webcomicstory. │
║ you don't have to trust to build with │
║ who cares what data they have on me │
║ I am me and their open source algorithms │
║ (that I can modify) │
║ more than correctly out recommend me. │
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║ "hey look at this data only I can hear" │
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║ how do you know that agricultural products aren't spoiled or rotten? why, you │
║ trust the USDA of course. How thankful I am that we have institutions we can │
║ trust. How lucky we are that we all share something we care for and cherish. │
║ I'm so glad we don't treat it like a WARZONE, I'm so glad we give each other │
║ grace. Maybe government's just for those who want out of the race? nah I │
║ disagree, for others should be apparent after our needs. │
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║ ... if we work on helping others then we get better at helping ourselves. │
║ infinite scaling is powerful in economics │
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@user-95 the scariest part is you don't need AI for any of that. people have
been scamming with call centers in indonesia. election campaigns are
essentially generalized information spreading machines. (whether mis, dis, or
just... regular information) Marketing is an entire discipline dedicated
toward making people believe something they previously did not - that product
XYZ is worthy of their dosh. But it doesn't have to be like that, it could be
using it's powers of analysis for good. But alas, if only we had an economic
system that allowed for anything but a race to the bottom. I mean yeah racing
is great when you're competing with a bunch of other nations, but c'mon do we
really need to fight? Every inch of earth has been claimed. Let's just... draw
a line in the sand and say "okay no more changes" and focus on more important
things? Like climate change for example?
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ideas for how to better communicate with voters:
when signing up to join a political party, and at any time there-after, you
may choose your top 10 issues (ranked choice voting, of course, so no vote is
wasted)
then, they can see *exactly* what their voters care about.
this is the computer age. We can process *massive* amounts of data and we're
using it to make NFTs and blockchain nonsense. We could learn SO MUCH ABOUT
EACH OTHER.
*enter, google, with a big wad of cash*
hey how about you stay outta our business yeah?
......... okay fine BUT ONLY if you keep bribing us for eternity.
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