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when I get concerned about the political divide in my country, I think about
this map from the New York Times of the number of political donations across
the country before the 2016 democratic primaries.
I think we're gonna be fine. I'm not scared of Trump because rural areas,
where republicans tend to be, have the same problems that everyone else does.
Bernie Sanders was well known as someone who could talk to an average
republican voter and sway them to his side. I remember watching videos of his
interviews (in front of a live audience) on Fox News or CNN or whatever and at
first, they'd be hostile to him. At the end, they'd give him a standing
ovation.
I think we have more in common with other working class people than they do
with their republican leaders. I also think we have more in common than them
than we do with our democratic leaders, but I think that just shows how I feel
about authority.
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democrats probably won't fight for socialism, but they sure as heck will fight
against republicans.
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one of my most humbling political memories is getting in a fight with a kid at
school (okay, a heated argument) because he said republicans lower taxes and I
thought democrats did.
turns out we were both right, because one of our dads had money.
gotta raise taxes for public services, and well inflation's just a fact of
life y'know, at least stuff doesn't cost as much as way back when.
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I want to live in a world where Bernie Sanders is considered conservative
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║ politics is not about being right, it's about convincing the majority to vote │
║ how you want │
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║ in America, the majority is white, working class people who go to church and │
║ don't really get to think about much beyond their own lives. │
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║ sometimes they think of their home, the city they live in / near │
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║ sometimes they think of their country, their religion │
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║ and sometimes they hear about what happens in other places, usually through │
║ the tube that connects the panel in their scenes to the offices of hardworking │
║ ~~journalists and reporters~~ sorry it's 2024 now - *pundits and celebrities* │
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║ those people don't hear what you hear on the internet. To them, it is a place │
║ of memes, funny gifs, and whatever their close friends are talking about on │
║ Facebook. │
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║ we uh, don't use Facebook much these days, do we? Mostly because Facebook is │
║ actively hostile to us. │
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║ But nobody said our enemies would be kind. │
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║ Who are your enemies? Mine is *power*. At this moment in history, money is │
║ power. We will see how long that lasts, won't we? │
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║ republicans are upset because they think democrats are *so mean* │
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║ they don't understand why we're so intense about this election... or the one │
║ before │
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║ they don't ever really think about what losing democracy means │
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║ "democracy... that's where we vote, right? That's a democrat thing, I don't │
║ really like their way of doing things. Whatever *our* way is, is probably │
║ better." │
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║ meanwhile everyone has a friend from high school who ran off to the mountains │
║ to learn how to farm or hunt as a pack │
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║ (with rifles and weed, of course) │
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║ you can get a lot done if you just... spend your whole life working. Like most │
║ humans did for most of our existence. │
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║ well, except for that period where we were the tribe of tribes. That was │
║ probably a highlight TBH because we mostly just chilled out, danced in public, │
║ ate blueberries and munched seeds... It was idyllic. Truly, the garden of │
║ eden. There was music and laughter in the air *everywhere*, in all places that │
║ humans did wander on earth. │
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║ what a thing to aspire to. │
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democrats want the kind of society that Joe Biden represents. that's who
they're voting for - the memories of life as it was for their grandparents.
people vote for Trump because they're sick of living in the same country as
these other people who don't feel just like them.
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if the election goes poorly, keep in mind that eventually everyone will either
fight, or support those who are fighting.
everyone.
if the election upholds the status quo, there is a chance that their wounds
might heal and they may rejoin us in our reasonable society.
keep working for reason. it will pay off in the long run. remember that a
better world is possible, but you can't leave anyone alive behind when
reaching for it.
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politicians appeal to certain segments of the population. That's just how
they're designed. They're meant to be reflections of your hopes. We shouldn't
demand them to be moral, or kind - they should just do what we want them to.
That is the spirit of democracy, that we the people should decide.
... a lot of people watch reality TV though, like... all day every day
and a lot of people listen to fox news and such
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I want the political right to exist, because otherwise there'd be nothing to
talk about a couple beers in and with no real stakes except a good time with
your friend who you disagree with
I want the political right to exist, because, y'know, life liberty and justice
for all and all that
both of those are "left of center" takes and I've definitely held both at
different parts of my life
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on our current trajectory, the presidential election is already won.
now we can get back to on-the-ground organizing, the part that actually
improves life instead of maintaining our current (unethical) state.
As long as our allies (liberals) continue to work, perhaps there may come a
day when we can stand against them as friendly equals in the ballot box. But
for now we are best known through friends and community rather than TV.
I am optimistic in a way I haven't been for a while. I know that the more we
speak, the more we share, the more they falter, the more people we can save
from their vice grip of despair. There is no better world than the one we
build together!
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@user-1428 @user-1280 @user-1429
it's not a contest of "who can spend more"
their voters already believe what they believe. nothing will change their
mind. so there's little purpose for their money.
our voters need encouragement to come out and vote. The more people that vote,
the more democrats tend to win. This speaks to a demographic advantage to the
left, as more people can always be introduced to our ideas.
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@user-1443
sorry 😅
re-reading what you wrote, your point was that it's unfair that republicans
are granted the control they have over our society through the
disenfranchisement of democrat voters, right?
and I was saying that if those limitations were removed, the democrats would
win in a landslide everywhere in the country, which gives me faith in my
fellow countrymen.
am I on the right track now?
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everyone votes for a better world. every time. that is the promise of voting -
that you might choose how the world gets better.
when people don't think a better world is possible, they don't vote.
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if you cannot trust that both candidates will try to make the country better
*in different ways*, but with the same *goal*, then you do not have a choice
when voting.
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║ │ electorate and it's a negative partisanship electorate. Republicans │ │
║ │ hate Democrats. Democrats hate Republicans. There is no common ground. │ │
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I've been reading "A People's Tragedy" by Orlando Figes lately, a book about
the Russian Revolution of 1918
I'm convinced that we'll win, our conditions are *better* than theirs, and
frankly the only thing I'm really *worried* about is that we'll use more force
than is necessary. It's cathartic, after all, and how many people out there
believe that the first American Civil War should have ended in salting the
fields, rather than just burning their plantations to the ground?
... oh, what's that? we didn't burn the plantations? Ah, I see. Well, maybe
there's a balance to be met. Maybe we can make up for lost time. I should read
"A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn some more.
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I've never been a fan of the democrats. From a young age, I remember my father
talking about how spineless they were, and how cruel and shortsighted the
republicans were. I have since come to learn that democrats, as an economic
class, are also shortsighted, and their lack of foresight causes their
"triage" to have cruel effects. We could do so much better, and it's not
because everyone wants something different as they say. The reason is because
they are spineless. They don't want to rock the boat because they're afraid of
death. Remember, most of them are so thoroughly traumatized having lived in
the era of nuclear threat (which isn't over, I might add) and post-911
hysteria (which they contributed to, I might add) and it makes sense that they
act so conservatively. They feel such immense pressure to keep the ship
sailing but if your rigging is secure and you've got enough control over the
boat, you can pull down the sails and wait out the storm. T.T too bad j+j
I bet we were in love in the original timeline. The me from then was different
than the me from now, so I don't know if it could ever work out. Talk to me
after the war, maybe it'll toughen me up a bit.
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I don't necessarily want people to want a revolution. I just want them to want
a revolution.
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most people have *no* idea what's going on in politics. Absolutely no
conception. It's all just "good/bad thing happened today, here's how the
pundits feel about it" it's literally scenery to them.
why would they care? nothing changes for them.
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As far as I can tell, Trump is up by ~5 million popular votes.
We live in a country of 337 million people.
5 million is a lot if you put them in the same room, but not if they're spread
out.
We have city parks. They have Twitter. Press our advantage before they realize
how centralized they are.
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I am disappointed with the Democrats right now... If 30-40,000 Americans had
died during the ICE protests, they'd be marching on Washington. Instead
they're being partisans.
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║ republicans break things until you fight back, democrats keep people working │
║ to keep the line steady on the graph. │
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║ one is an agitating force, the other is calming. │
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║ I don't like the direction the line is going, so I'm pretty much "anti-line" │
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║ kinda want it all to disappear │
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║ like... what's the point, what's the purpose, of suffering and heartship and │
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║ I think we could have no borders, and think less of the line in general. │
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║ I'm more concerned with my time. I have too much to do to spend 8 hours of it │
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The Democrats had one BILLION dollars. This is what they should have been
doing, but they couldn't have known. They needed to spend it on the election
in order for us to see that money, talent, and rationality can't beat whatever
Trump brings to the table.
Give me a billion dollars and I'll slay fascism. Give me ten and I'll save the
world.
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the left lacks a common voice telling all of them to "go"
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republicans vote based on culture, which is unfair to the rest of us with our
own cultures that melt together in this melting pot.
they can go down the street and eat vietnamese food, and yet they vote for
their own culture in isolation.
voting for those who represent you is fine, but those who represent them have
non-cultural agendas as well. their plans are designed to hurt others, an act
which grants them power over others. usually financial power, but there are
many kinds of power, and all of them are unethical when applied
non-consentually.
and if you vote for a democrat, you do not consent to them.
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@user-1126
Yes, I have very little faith in the democratic process in my country.
Unfortunately, while democracy is crucial to fair, honest, and just
representation, as you said it's unlikely that democracy would be allowed to
exist if it threatened the power of the powerful.
Thus, our twisted form that sorta works, but requires a LOT of effort and a
LOT of maintenance. More than the average person can give.
They've tuned it to be JUST dysfunctional enough to overwhelm our natural
innate tendencies to contribute to "the tribe of tribes", while leaving it
just functional enough such that if you work your ass off with ALL of the
people who agree with you, then MAYBE you might get a measure on the ballot
for something insignificant (which won't pass, because why would it?)
I have faith in people, not the democratic process, for I have faith in
democracy, but not the process.
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║ a significant proportion of the population is dumb as bricks, which is a fact │
║ that our foes wield with cruelty in mind. │
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║ it's not their fault, they can change, but sometimes there's just no time. our │
║ doors are always open, here sit next to me on this couch. I hope you don't │
║ mind if I deprive you of power before I supply kindness, though. │
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║ requires a bit of trust. Or, to be backed into a corner and forced to do so. I │
║ guess we should get good at cornering. │
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║ That's okay. You are an expert too, but now is our forte, so please just │
║ listen for a few. │
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║ and always keep in mind the lessons of the past. Before, our kindest, bravest, │
║ and most learned were the most passionate who threw themselves toward the │
║ cause. │
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║ then the soviet union happened, because everyone who was capable of building a │
║ better world was slain first. (though the cold war didn't help) │
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║ before WW2 Russia was basically Somalia. After, it sacrificed itself to │
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leftists pool our capital to fund the weak.
they pool their capital to wrest power. they spend it like a resources, and
treat it as a means. a tool that they wield against us.
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If you live in a red state, come to a blue state *now*. If you live in a blue
state, house people. Let them come, and let the right leave. They probably
won't, but if they try to, let them.
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every leftist should have a pilgrimage to conservative lands. In times of
peace, this is valid. in times of war... less so. but, the first one to cause
harm is dealt an increasing blow, back and forth until one wears thin. not
ideal. or, one is led to peace, where they benefit from each other's helping
arms.
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look all I'm saying is the results this election decides whether you should
trust the government or the corporations more. and they both want things that
you don't, in addition to things you do.
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